New alliance loot rules discussion

[TaiyoShikasu]

Tanks have longer queue times for alliance raids, so what harm is a guaranteed drop? They waited however long and also have the luxury of dealing with the other tanks when it comes to doing their job as the quality of alliance raid tanks is horrible.

DPS gear has always been luck based even in dungeons considering there is far more of it due their being three types of DPS job. Go in as samurai and you may never see striking gear in multiple runs. And instead of having a 1/5 chance of getting anything assuming gear for your job even drops, it goes down even lower. I'm not a mathematician, but 1/5 sounds better than 1/8. Something that would actually be fair is if every person who ran the raid got a piece for their job like odd level dungeons.

Also using lockout as an argument is crazy weak as lockout existed under the previous system without any backlash.

If you want to gear an alt job, either play that job or wait for the lockout to end where it will be even worse.

[ElHeggunte]

I'm honestly not bothered (yet). I don't need the armor to wear because I always have tome/8-man gear and they haven't had an armor set that I liked the look of since Dun Scaith so I don't want them for glamour either. I may gather them just for collection's sake, but I'm not losing sleep if this change causes me to "lose" more pieces than before.

I can understand how this change is detrimental to anyone who actually needs something though.

[MerleSirlos]

I can only do the lighthouse with my warrior (main) and I am not interested in the tank gear at all as I have higher ilevel. mandacity is used only for my warrior, the creation that I get from gathering mandacity goes to my monk so I want the dragoon gear from the lighthouse. My dragoon doesn't have the ilevel to enter.
Before, I would go with my warrior or monk and greed on dragoon gear, hoping there is no dragoon in the party that would need the gear (if no dragoon in the party, only greed possible for everyone, so same situation as now).
Now I don't care what job I go in and what will be the party composition, I can go with the job I enjoy the most or are more comfortable with and have a fair shot at gear i want.

[TaleraRistain]

Due to the loot lock out, you're not going to be rolling on gear you're not actually going to use anyway.

There are already like 3 new pages on the big thread about this in General Discussion describing instances of people with 0 leveled classes rolling on items. So yeah, people will do it just to get some piece of gear and not have to go back again that week. And there are apparently a lot of people rolling on Vaan's outfit.

[Mahrze]

It depends entirely on if anyone else in the party is gearing a tank or not.

You're basically using whataboutism as a way to say this has merit.

Camp A (current): Best geared job = best chance to be clearing catch up content, so everyone gets "fair chances" cuz "effort"
Camp B (previous): play job you want to gear = lower chance of clear due to potential learning curve hazard, a good chance to "need" what you, y'know, need.

If you really want to preach a "fair" solution, they should have made each chest give tokens like raids have done since HW. While having this greed option,
"Ivalician Token A" 2 for: head, gloves, shoes.
"Ivalician Token B" 4 for: top, bottom.

This way: anyone can play as whatever AND have equal roll privileges. Who knew?

[Seraphor]

You're basically using whataboutism as a way to say this has merit.

Camp A (current): Best geared job = best chance to be clearing catch up content, so everyone gets "fair chances" cuz "effort"
Camp B (previous): play job you want to gear = lower chance of clear due to potential learning curve hazard, a good chance to "need" what you, y'know, need.

If you really want to preach a "fair" solution, they should have made each chest give tokens like raids have done since HW. While having this greed option,
"Ivalician Token A" 2 for: head, gloves, shoes.
"Ivalician Token B" 4 for: top, bottom.

This way: anyone can play as whatever AND have equal roll privileges. Who knew?

And everyone else is using "whataboutism" to claim it's a disaster.

Correct, tokens would be more fair.

[Souljacker]

Why are you gearing a tank if you don\\'t enjoy playing it?
Plenty of people do enjoy tanking.

You can both enjoy playing a tank *in general* and not enjoy playing a tank in a group of potentially abusive and\or unskilled random LFR people.

[Byonka]

How has this change actually impacted your game play?

The loot change makes no difference for me. If anything it's a positive change since I'll no longer accidentally hit "greed" on cards/orchestrion rolls when a "need" option was available.

As for runs I've been in - there has been absolutely no fighting over gear. The healer chest dropped for me today and to my surprise no one rolled against me. Perhaps it's just the lock-out that's keeping our options open, maybe things will change when players are being more selective... But right now, I think the only issue is the one in our heads. Keep in mind there's nothing stopping you from kindly asking others to pass on an item you want, just be sure to hold your loot roll until you get confirmation/give time for them to pass on the item.

As for the older content, those runs hand out tomes and coins like it's candy. Two runs and you'll likely able to purchase another upgrade from a vendor. Glamours? Well, try your luck or wait for the craft-able version.

I guess the other upside to the loot rule is having more people running on their "main" job but I don't think that's really going to impact much.

[BorisDaBlade]

I don’t see why they didn’t just do “greed only” in non relevant content. Making me greed against 23 other players hurts my progression if I have to run something a hundred times hoping for a drop AND the rng against all the other players to get it.

And by the time I get it, I’ll most likely have enough of what ever tome is top at the time to get higher ilvl piece anyway.

[Blanchimont]

I hate it. It makes it even harder to get a specific item than before. I feel we'd be better off if we just have a token system like the other raids.