Doman Enclave changes (4.3)

[Vhailor]

It doesn't cost you anything. just donate items you were gonna vendor anyway (such as allagan pieces) and you'll get more money than you would have gotten by selling to a regular vendor.

I don't think you fully read or understood my post.

The issue is the weekly Gratuity limit, which for many completion-oriented players like myself creates a rather steep goal. There are multiple ways to acquire enough items to sell to hit the weekly limit, but they're either very grind-y or quite expensive. The Gratuity limit should be significantly lower, or should be in addition to a clearly-defined advancement process that eliminates the sense of this being a 'goal'.

[Lambdafish]

I don't think you fully read or understood my post.

The issue is the weekly Gratuity limit, which for many completion-oriented players like myself creates a rather steep goal. There are multiple ways to acquire enough items to sell to hit the weekly limit, but they're either very grind-y or quite expensive. The Gratuity limit should be significantly lower, or should be in addition to a clearly-defined advancement process that eliminates the sense of this being a 'goal'.

Why? I want a surplus of gratuity to take advantage of the increased amount of Gil I get from the sale. If you want to be a completionist, then be a completionist, but don't take away the reward that we are getting from doing the content

[Vhailor]

Why? I want a surplus of gratuity to take advantage of the increased amount of Gil I get from the sale. If you want to be a completionist, then be a completionist, but don't take away the reward that we are getting from doing the content

Two things.

Firstly, it's incredibly unlikely you'll hit 20k in NPC sales unless you're aiming to maximize your progress. I'd be stunned if you hit 10k during the normal course of play, unless you're doing something that regularly awards Clear Demimateria. Nothing else sells for enough that doesn't bring in far more money via the AH.

Secondly, the issue is that the Gratuity limit is all we have to gauge 'progress' on right now. The limit is too high to be reasonable as a progress indicator; it would be like setting a Tomestone cap each week of 5000. SE needs to couple it with a more defined indication of progress, and set weekly progress caps lower.

Finally, as a side issue: it's ridiculous to view the sales bonus as a 'reward' in this case. You're getting less than 3500 bonus Gil a week, at most, assuming the cap doesn't increase beyond 20k over time. Woooooo - a few free teleports! And if Materia are a significant portion of your turn-ins, you gained even less (and possibly lost Gil) because their NPC sale price was decreased in conjunction with this content. The only meaningful reward here is Doman Enclave progression which, as I've described, is quite grind-y if the progress cap is truly the Gratuity cap each week.

[Lambdafish]

Two things.

Firstly, it's incredibly unlikely you'll hit 20k in NPC sales unless you're aiming to maximize your progress. I'd be stunned if you hit 10k during the normal course of play, unless you're doing something that regularly awards Clear Demimateria. Nothing else sells for enough that doesn't bring in far more money via the AH.

I hit the 20k cap in about 5 mins selling Allagan pieces from my retainer, plus some random low level materia I had. In fact, I could cap far more than 20k every single week purely from the retainers Allagan pieces, which is zero effort on my part.

As for your point about reward, it doesn't matter if it's 3000 Gil, or 300,000 Gil, I am incentivised to sell my items at the enclave because they pay a higher amount. In fact, increasing the gratuity would increase the reward, whereas your idea of decreasing it would decrease the reward.

[Penthea]

Firstly, it's incredibly unlikely you'll hit 20k in NPC sales unless you're aiming to maximize your progress.

The limit is too high to be reasonable as a progress indicator

Seven days isn't enough time to gather things to sell for 20k gil? Are you honestly saying you would struggle to sell an average of just under 3k gil worth of stuff to a vendor every day?

[St0rmchild]

Two things.

Firstly, it's incredibly unlikely you'll hit 20k in NPC sales unless you're aiming to maximize your progress

Spend a few GC seals (which are easy to get with just rolling greed on dungeon drops) and buy the 600 seal crafting materials in quantity. They have a good sales price and will help you easily cap your gratuity limit.

Capping limit isn't hard, but it's not automatic either.

[Nihility]

I don't think you fully read or understood my post.

The issue is the weekly Gratuity limit, which for many completion-oriented players like myself creates a rather steep goal. There are multiple ways to acquire enough items to sell to hit the weekly limit, but they're either very grind-y or quite expensive. The Gratuity limit should be significantly lower, or should be in addition to a clearly-defined advancement process that eliminates the sense of this being a 'goal'.

I think your missing the made to be sold items completely, the limit is very low.
desynth some stuff and stock up the clear demimataria, send retainers on the 1 day ventures that bring back coins, spend like 20 minutes in eureka, etc etc

[Vhailor]

I think your missing the made to be sold items completely, the limit is very low.
desynth some stuff and stock up the clear demimataria, send retainers on the 1 day ventures that bring back coins, spend like 20 minutes in eureka, etc etc

I hit the 20k cap in about 5 mins selling Allagan pieces from my retainer, plus some random low level materia I had. In fact, I could cap far more than 20k every single week purely from the retainers Allagan pieces, which is zero effort on my part

I'll admit I forgot about Retainer Ventures. I typically do Quick Ventures; you're right, the Allagan pieces would make this somewhat feasible, albeit again, as I said, at substantial cost: Quick Ventures bring in far more Gil, because they routinely bring back valuable items for the MB (this is likely the route I'll take). Desynthing is possible; I'm curious, do you know of a particularly easy source for them? Desynths don't tend to give them very reliably, and for the tier II or III demimateria, the items required don't have trivial ingredient requirements. Considering one would need to desynth significant quantities of them, this is pretty burdensome.

Seven days isn't enough time to gather things to sell for 20k gil? Are you honestly saying you would struggle to sell an average of just under 3k gil worth of stuff to a vendor every day?

Yes. What activities do you do that net more than this? I'm honestly curious if there are any, beyond Eureka. The vast majority of items either don't sell for more than peanuts to Vendors, or sell for far more on the Market Board.

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Please consider this from a non-Eureka point of view, for the sake of argument. I realize Eureka might be the only efficient route here. Are people honestly finding it easy and inexpensive to accomplish 20k in Vendor sales in a week?

[Penthea]

Yes. What activities do you do that net more than this? I'm honestly curious if there are any, beyond Eureka. The vast majority of items either don't sell for more than peanuts to Vendors, or sell for far more on the Market Board.

Can't say I have had reason to count the gil I get from vendoring items until now. I can tell you though I easily reached 20k within a day just from retainer quick exploration ventures. I wasn't even trying to do it fast, it just happened. If you have gatherer retainers, high level crafting and high level desynth on crafters, it would be stupidly easy.

If you do the high floors of POTD you'll easily hit the weekly cap from selling the weapons from the accursed hoard sacks.

EDIT: just now my two retainers brought back gear that sells for over 1k gil to vendors. No effort on my part at all.

[JohnnyDevo]

I don't think you fully read or understood my post.

The issue is the weekly Gratuity limit, which for many completion-oriented players like myself creates a rather steep goal. There are multiple ways to acquire enough items to sell to hit the weekly limit, but they're either very grind-y or quite expensive. The Gratuity limit should be significantly lower, or should be in addition to a clearly-defined advancement process that eliminates the sense of this being a 'goal'.

There are a ton of items on the marketboard that are worthless to players, and thus get sold at (or below!) their "vendor trash" price.
Materia I-IV. Allagan metals. clear demimateria. In addition, some items that are easy to get but aren't marketable. Moonstone from the ixal, for example.

Not only do I easily make the 20k each week, I actually get more money than I spent. I also find it laughable to call "20k a week" "wealthy enough to throw money at it". I levelled an alt a few months ago and ended with 3.5 mil in the account. It just takes knowing the game's economy a little.