Another WHM chicken little sees the sky falling. The sky is an AST.

[MoroMurasaki]

/hugs

I hope tomorrow is a better day.

Thank you so much! People being nice on the OF - a novel idea! /hugs

It's not.
The day AST will have the same toolkit as WHM, or insane potencies increase, maybe it will.
But those small adjustements won't.

WHM crying over AST always are people who don't know how to properly play WHM.

Wonder why he's so salty o.O

Also apparently he can accurately judge the skill of players purely by their complaints about the game - what an amazing talent! Boy, I wish I was as cool as you, going aroung making sweeping generalizations and not worrying about how rude, inconsiderate or ill-informed I make myself look.

Must be nice.

Anyway, that's all the time I have now. I hope you are feeling better now and let's try to maintain a level head until we get to see the changes officially on paper.

Thank you! After a whopping two and a half hours of sleep I do. A bit at least. I still stand by all of my opinions but I will acquiesce that I don't need to worry as much until it's in the patch notes.

Sure, it needed some adjustments, however WHMs have been down this road before. They spent a year being told "You don't have Balance."

I couldn't have said it better myself. Also, I didnt.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

It's not.
The day AST will have the same toolkit as WHM, or insane potencies increase, maybe it will.
But those small adjustements won't.

WHM crying over AST always are people who don't know how to properly play WHM.

And yet AST and WHM have the exact same basic healing toolkit, and are neck and neck in every single instance potency-wise. The biggest advantage WHM has is a spammable Cure III. You claim that any WHMs worrying about this just don't know how to play WHM, yet you don't know how similar ASTs kit is to a WHM? It sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.

If you were a WHM in 3.4, you would understand where our worries are coming from. No WHM wants to go back to being locked out of PFs because there's little to no reason to bring one over AST again, no one wants to be pressured into switching to AST for their static because you're holding them back otherwise.

SE has proven time and time again that they can't balance healers to save their lives, and we're worried that these changes to AST is just the start of WHM being dragged through the mud yet again.

[Mortex]

And you know for sure that whm doesnt get a buff ? You have no clue about the patchnotes or buffs/nerfs why do people think the world ends ? I play ast and whm and yes atm Astro plain sucks massive and he needs buffs. You think the end game isnt important for balancing but it is. If astro cant beat the fight like WHM can you know balancing sucks.

[Cidel]

Another WHM chicken little sees the sky falling. The sky is an AST.

Teledraw Challenge accepted.











I couldn't help myself.



Carry on.

[MoroMurasaki]

I couldn't help myself.



Carry on.

Thank you. This is maybe my favorite post on the forums ever. You are too precious for this world <3

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I play ast and whm and yes atm Astro plain sucks massive and he needs buffs. You think the end game isnt important for balancing but it is.

I hardly play AST, especially at a savage raiding level.
My first clear of O8s I healed the fight as a AST, and the last thing I thought this job needed was buffs. Aspected Helios is powerful, their heals are WHM level, Earthly Star is downright godly when used right. Their MP isn't all that special, but it isn't horrible. They're by no means a weak job at all and can definitely heal everything just as well as a WHM.
So when you say "AST plain sucks", you may want to step back a bit and try to improve on a personal level before blaming the job. It's incredibly strong and all it really needed was QoL changes.
And they already listed all the jobs getting adjustments. WHM wasn't a part of them.

@Cidel:
That picture is amazing lmao

[MoroMurasaki]

Oh boy, missed this salty little gem in my haste to express love for that awesome comic.

And you know for sure that whm doesnt get a buff ? You have no clue about the patchnotes or buffs/nerfs why do people think the world ends ?

Look at the Live Letter. No mention of a WHM buff. They have no reason to hide that kind of info from us, it's fair to assume WHM will remain untouched in 4.3.

We do have 'a clue' even if that's all we have right now. That's the purpose of the LL.

I play ast and whm and yes atm Astro plain sucks massive and he needs buffs.

You're successfully completing all the same content on AST that you do on WHM with virtually the same hps. What is your problem again?

You think the end game isnt important for balancing but it is. If astro cant beat the fight like WHM can you know balancing sucks.

Show me where I said endgame isn't important for balancing. I didn't. I said I had heard the AST perspective about o8s and didn't find it compelling enough for these buffs to happen, much less to happen without an rDPS addition for WHM.

Also endgame is not the only thing that matters. Read whole sentences, respond to actual points. Your strawman is pathetic.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And you know for sure that whm doesnt get a buff ? You have no clue about the patchnotes or buffs/nerfs why do people think the world ends ? I play ast and whm and yes atm Astro plain sucks massive and he needs buffs. You think the end game isnt important for balancing but it is. If astro cant beat the fight like WHM can you know balancing sucks.

Astro has no issue beating any of the current fights, including Ultimate. In fact, it solo healed Neo Exdeath. Does it need some tweaks? Sure. But trying to paint it as though widely inferior is just simply wrong. There isn't any fight Astro cannot beat in this game.

[Miste]

yes atm Astro plain sucks massive and he needs buffs. You think the end game isnt important for balancing but it is. If astro cant beat the fight like WHM can you know balancing sucks.

This is just plain untrue...AST doesn't suck at all.

The weaving issue is mostly QoL to get rid of the clunkiness of the job and make the job flow better. It just needs to be done and whatever pDPS increase that results is just a side thing. If they need to down the line they could adjust WHMs pDPS and increase it some, right now SCH almost does as much pDPS as a WHM (if not more entirely) and I feel like that should change anyway since SCH has some rDPS contribution with Chain Strategem so they don't need to do as much pDPS as a WHM.

For prog they need some MP help imo which Lightspeed changes would alleviate and in my opinion is the main reason AST is simply barely ever used for prog, but that still doesn't mean they suck that bad. They don't need to encroach too far on WHMs prog status, but like I said in my other post I feel the gap is a bit too wide, they can close it a bit without taking away WHMs "Best MP Management" crown.

AST healing is fine. It is harder to play than WHM and requires more thought and planning that is true, but they can heal everything just fine.

[KaivaC]

And you know for sure that whm doesnt get a buff ? You have no clue about the patchnotes or buffs/nerfs why do people think the world ends ? I play ast and whm and yes atm Astro plain sucks massive and he needs buffs. You think the end game isnt important for balancing but it is. If astro cant beat the fight like WHM can you know balancing sucks.

ASTs are fine in endgame content - the buffs, minor as they are, are just there to reduce the clunkiness of the job. They do not suck at all. If we go by your logic, then DRKs simply cannot pass any of the savage fights either, and they are in need of a serious rework. ASTs have it a little harder, yes, but they are more than capable of clearing fights.