Results 1 to 10 of 156

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Player
    Ghishlain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    2,168
    Character
    Ghishlain Pyrial
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    I do want to tack onto Miste's most recent comment to the thread and add that while the participation numbers on logs should be taken with grain of salt due to the voluntary nature of logs, I imagine S-E's official back end tools will show a similar percentage breakdown with some small deviations (I'd guess +/- 5%). What these numbers tell me that it certainly isn't undesirable though the topic of "kit strengths" is certainly up for debate. Even if WHM isn't meta for the speed kill community, it is certainly played and played immensely.

    Apparently, based on what I can see, logs maintains historical data for their logs that are relevant for the tier (IE, only using 3.4 and 3.5 clear data for Alexander: The Creator (Savage) ). You can find the participation data set here - it shows AST being the most played with SCH not too far behind and WHM lagging behind significantly.

    TLDR of stats:
    Alexander: The Creator recorded 37,776 healer logs with the following breakdown: SCH = 37% | AST = 41% | WHM = 21%
    Sigmascape (Savage) recorded 107,798 healer logs with the following breakdown: SCH = 39% | AST = 23% | WHM = 37%

    I'd also like to point out that despite how meta the SCH/AST healer comp is, the participation data doesn't reflect these meta compositions. This is in contrast with the tank meta ( WAR/PLD - participation data here ) and DPS meta ( DRG / NIN / BRD / [Fight & Group Dependent Wild Card Slot] - participation data here ). I'd like to also add a small note that despite MCH having the lowest participation numbers, they are represented in several top 10 speed kill groups currently, while BLM and SAM have no representation.

    My point in all this wall of text? Even if AST/SCH brings the most raid utility and DPS to the table out of all three healers - a fair number of groups still run WHM for the safety factor (higher HPS throughput and eMP Pool). We're less than two weeks away from patch 4.3 and despite some comments about how "progression is dead" at this time frame we still see WHM, argued as the primary progression healer, being used heavily. This leads me to believe a few things including there are still many groups freshly progressing into the raid or those that have cleared the raid tier will still continue to run the comfort pick of WHM because either they're more comfortable with the WHM kit or don't want to change things up so they can keep clearing the content safely and smoothly. I imagine if many of the current raiders felt WHM was unfeasible, we wouldn't see the current participation numbers that we do at this juncture.
    (9)
    Last edited by Ghishlain; 05-14-2018 at 03:08 AM.

  2. #2
    Player
    Trunks's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Ishgard
    Posts
    164
    Character
    Kai Earendel
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    My point in all this wall of text? Even if AST/SCH brings the most raid utility and DPS to the table out of all three healers - a fair number of groups still run WHM for the safety factor
    That's a big assumption. Actually my garbo group of casual scrubs runs a WHM because I hate Astrologian and I can do just enough personal DPS to justify my existence (except when we get final bosses that spam near-one-shot mechanics because SE refuses to stop handing out shields and mitigation cooldowns like it's a bloody Oprah giveaway). WHM isn't optimal, but it's viable. I would bet that for most groups, running a WHM has nothing to do with the heal throughput (in fact that heal throughput is as much a curse as a blessing because when I put the group on my back and try to carry them to victory, I get aggro and die, because SE brilliantly designed a game where tanks are disincentivized from doing their one job); more likely it comes down to the personal preference of the player, because it's easier to compensate for any small deficiency in WHM than it is to find an entirely new healer. When those deficiencies stop being small and the raids are balanced around the assumption of comps that aren't awful, what do you think happens?

    That's all out the window, and now I'm either gimping my group or playing something I hate.

    Protip: don't obliterate your most popular healer job and one of the most iconic jobs in your franchise on a whim. They're slapping a bandaid onto AST. Except AST isn't bleeding. It has broken bones, and SE's the one that broke them with their SCH Sect / WHM Sect design.
    (3)
    Last edited by Trunks; 05-14-2018 at 09:15 AM.