"Eureka", but why?

[Lium]

People have suggested low level players to solo up until they're level 5 and then start joining the train. Alternatively, you could form a party with other low level players and farm mobs roughly your level, or farm mobs that spawn low level NM's...

I've been trying to do this. I'm currently lvl 4 and every time I look for a group, I get invited to a train with mostly level 15-20 players. Which is cool, but it means I spend a lot of time dying just to get to where everyone is. And then during the fights, my contribution isn't weighted as heavily because I'm such a low level. In two days of doing this I've managed to get one level.

The only time I've somewhat enjoyed Eureka was when I was invited to a low level group and we just farmed low level mobs for like an hour. I leveled up twice and got 11 crystals. THAT'S what I need to be doing. Trains are only fun when you're higher level. But I need crystals for gear.

[Avatre]

I've been trying to do this. I'm currently lvl 4 and every time I look for a group, I get invited to a train with mostly level 15-20 players. Which is cool, but it means I spend a lot of time dying just to get to where everyone is. And then during the fights, my contribution isn't weighted as heavily because I'm such a low level. In two days of doing this I've managed to get one level.

The only time I've somewhat enjoyed Eureka was when I was invited to a low level group and we just farmed low level mobs for like an hour. I leveled up twice and got 11 crystals. THAT'S what I need to be doing. Trains are only fun when you're higher level. But I need crystals for gear.

When you say you're looking for a group, are you saying in it you want a low level group? Or just something like "lfg"? If it's the later, than that's why you are being invited to mostly train parties.

Alternatively, you could start one with other lower levels(either in PF, or just shout that you're recruiting for a low level party) and do it that way. A lot of the time I see people shouting in Eureka for parties, they don't state their level(and not everyone has the player search open at all times).

[Lium]

When you say you're looking for a group, are you saying in it you want a low level group? Or just something like "lfg"? If it's the later, than that's why you are being invited to mostly train parties.

Alternatively, you could start one with other lower levels(either in PF, or just shout that you're recruiting for a low level party) and do it that way. A lot of the time I see people shouting in Eureka for parties, they don't state their level(and not everyone has the player search open at all times).

I always say my level. "lvl 4 rdm lfg" is how I say it. I don't say I'm looking for a low level group because I always think saying my own level gives it away. But I guess I need to start saying specifically what I'm looking for.

Or just start the group myself.

[Avatre]

I always say my level. "lvl 4 rdm lfg" is how I say it. I don't say I'm looking for a low level group because I always think saying my own level gives it away. But I guess I need to start saying specifically what I'm looking for.

Or just start the group myself.

Yeah, the more specific you are in your messages the more likely you will get the type of group you're looking for. Not always, but higher probability.

[LineageRazor]

Yeah, the more specific you are in your messages the more likely you will get the type of group you're looking for. Not always, but higher probability.

Agreed; train parties will take folks of ANY level, so long as they have enough high-levels in the party to get credit for the kill. I've seen folks as low as level 1 in my parties. If you want a low level mob-grinding party, you'll definitely have to be specific; a simple LFG will land you in a train party almost every time, regardless of the level you post.

[Avatre]

a simple LFG will land you in a train party almost every time, regardless of the level you post.

Depends on the leader though. I try to get people 18+ when I'm leader just so that those that aren't 20 yet can still get EXP for the kills they help with, and so that we are more useful in helping to spawn the higher NMs(and killing/tanking the wraiths).

[Vhailor]

At the risk, to repeat some previous posoters and probably get flamed because I raised a new discussion about it...

Is this new kind of Relic-Quest going to be permanent? If so, why? What was wrong about the old system?

It was awful. It routinely forced you to play with gimped abilities, required immense repetition of content that had been stale for months, often required / benefited from Gathering / Crafting... it just sucked.

You were able to pick up the relic quest, do it at your own speed and it's not only you or players on your level who benefits from it. Doing the duties several times (especially when you are focusing on a tank or heal relic) makes the queue shorter for those duties. Also doing fates give others the opportunity to level faster. And yes, it still sucks and its still time consuming, but at least you can help others out when you do the quest.

Eureka is the "selfish" Version. You are instanced and you can start the quest only with 70 anyway. Bound by a quest, not helping anyone because they are lower than 70.. did SE really thought this through?

No, they didn't. I've absolutely no problem with this being level 70 content; it's not like it's remotely difficult to ding 70. What I do have an issue with is the utter lack of foresight involved in crafting Eureka's gameplay. The failure to properly balance content rewards and allow for level syncing are particularly egregious examples; the latter should have been caught in the design phase, before development even began (and forced a re-think of the content if it couldn't be effectively implemented).

[Remedi]

I want to say something that seems to be missing from atma/crystal hate, since ppl have been linking this relic step to that step.
The reason why that step was awful was not just that it forced you to do FATEs, but also the fact that your progression with it was locked behind a RNG of which you had no control, flash forward to now, I can't really link this NM farm to it since you have partly control over it, each NM drops a fixed amount of crystals, essentially each NM is progressing you towards that goal and as such the time is limited in this farm, I can't say the same thing for the old step

[Pyro2hell3]

I want to say something that seems to be missing from atma/crystal hate, since ppl have been linking this relic step to that step.
The reason why that step was awful was not just that it forced you to do FATEs, but also the fact that your progression with it was locked behind a RNG of which you had no control, flash forward to now, I can't really link this NM farm to it since you have partly control over it, each NM drops a fixed amount of crystals, essentially each NM is progressing you towards that goal and as such the time is limited in this farm, I can't say the same thing for the old step

atma actually drove people insane look up japanse atma theory people cling to it even the square went and said um no thats not a thing I
didn't touch under after the up the drop rate at it still took me a week of running fates

[Remedi]

Ye I know that one, everytime there's RNG involved ppl will always create some crazy patterns, like the desire factor in MH