"Eureka", but why?

[CrystonRhimes]

At the risk, to repeat some previous posoters and probably get flamed because I raised a new discussion about it...

Is this new kind of Relic-Quest going to be permanent? If so, why? What was wrong about the old system?

You were able to pick up the relic quest, do it at your own speed and it's not only you or players on your level who benefits from it. Doing the duties several times (especially when you are focusing on a tank or heal relic) makes the queue shorter for those duties. Also doing fates give others the opportunity to level faster. And yes, it still sucks and its still time consuming, but at least you can help others out when you do the quest.

Eureka is the "selfish" Version. You are instanced and you can start the quest only with 70 anyway. Bound by a quest, not helping anyone because they are lower than 70.. did SE really thought this through?

[CrystonRhimes]

Also, the new version is not as "Eureka" as it seems to be. Especially not when the next expansions arrive. It's already hard to keep up when you need a lowlevel boss to get your EXP or your kill. The only way to avoid this (without suggested syncs within the duty) is to completely lock the duty for ppl higher than 70. Nobody wants that... , I think. If SE goes with "syncs" within Eureka the first problem will be inevitable. Lowlevels are completely dependet from others to give them a ride and kill highlevels on the path to the next boss. The Teleports are limited to level 9, for what? The duty is practically only to farm exp from (often higher) fates. Or is SE expecting ppl to grind to level 9? Or wait for the fates that suites their level? I really don't think so.

I just hope there will be more information about this very soon.

[Nezerius]

What was wrong about the old system?

It got stale. I can only speak for myself, but I don't find it interesting to be spamming the content that I've already been doing for years. At least Eureka is something new, even if it boils down to farming mobs and doing "FATEs" (NMs)

Also doing fates give others the opportunity to level faster. And yes, it still sucks and its still time consuming, but at least you can help others out when you do the quest.

Hardly anyone levels through FATEs nowadays, as there's better alternatives.

and you can start the quest only with 70 anyway.

Not really sure what you mean by this. The ARR relic quest required being lvl 50 before you could pick it up. Same goes for the HW one, and lvl 60.

As for the whole helping thing, most players do the ARR book dungeons/light farm unsynced, and the HW light farm in a1s or a9s unsynced.

Also, you can edit your post to get past the limit.

[Hasrat]

Not really sure what you mean by this. The ARR relic quest required being lvl 50 before you could pick it up. Same goes for the HW one, and lvl 60.

As for the whole helping thing, most players do the ARR book dungeons/light farm unsynced, and the HW light farm in a1s or a9s unsynced.

If you're going to compare content, you should really take into consideration the stage the content is at. Of course everyone unsyncs ARR content for ARR relics now, because they can. But when it was current, much like Eureka is now current, it compelled players to continue running ARR content, dungeons, FATEs, etc. Even though the relic quest line was level 50, it still pushed players into content that would benefit lower level players by filling queues, making FATEs seem active, seeing leves being completed, etc. When HW was active... actually, dunno about that, cuz I haven't gotten there, so can't say much on it. But presumably the same. Pushed players to continue running HW content.

Eureka goes in a different direction. Players don't need to continue running SB content for the relics. Which could potentially lead to two outcomes. Either, due to instanced content, it dies like Diadem and future players will be all but locked out of SB relic progress. Or, even if it does maintain some activity, it continues to hold players in content, rather than having them help fill SB queues as the game progresses onwards.

That said, still worth trying something new, rather than repeating the same relic formula.

[Nezerius]

If you're going to compare content, you should really take into consideration the stage the content is at. Of course everyone unsyncs ARR content for ARR relics now, because they can. But when it was current, much like Eureka is now current, it compelled players to continue running ARR content, dungeons, FATEs, etc. Even though the relic quest line was level 50, it still pushed players into content that would benefit lower level players by filling queues, making FATEs seem active, seeing leves being completed, etc. When HW was active... actually, dunno about that, cuz I haven't gotten there, so can't say much on it. But presumably the same. Pushed players to continue running HW content.

When talking current content, most players still farmed light through Garuda HM, so at least that didn't help lower level players much (though I agree on the FATEs/book dungeons part).
HW was similar, in that most groups farmed light in A1S. It was also different, in the sense that it eventually encouraged players to just spam Aetherochemical Research Facility for tomestones, since the majority of the relic steps involved spending a lot of those.

Eureka goes in a different direction. Players don't need to continue running SB content for the relics. Which could potentially lead to two outcomes. Either, due to instanced content, it dies like Diadem and future players will be all but locked out of SB relic progress. Or, even if it does maintain some activity, it continues to hold players in content, rather than having them help fill SB queues as the game progresses onwards.

That said, still worth trying something new, rather than repeating the same relic formula.

We'll have to wait and see what becomes of Anemos, Pathos, and the future zones, with how they intend to ease up on them, similar to how the previous relics were made easier to obtain, after some time.

Reminder that grinding mobs is more efficient then running with the fate train for exp.

It also takes more effort to keep a good mob grind party going, for a very low difference in exp gain.

[Nestama]

If I had to spend weeks/months farming for a single piece of Atma again for the first stage of the Relic weapon/armour, I would have screamed in horror. Also would scream in horror if the Relic/Armour required Specialist Crafters.

People have suggested low level players to solo up until they're level 5 and then start joining the train. Alternatively, you could form a party with other low level players and farm mobs roughly your level, or farm mobs that spawn low level NM's (kill Cactuars to spawn the Cactuar FATE, sea monks for the sea monk FATE, etc)

[Lium]

People have suggested low level players to solo up until they're level 5 and then start joining the train. Alternatively, you could form a party with other low level players and farm mobs roughly your level, or farm mobs that spawn low level NM's...

I've been trying to do this. I'm currently lvl 4 and every time I look for a group, I get invited to a train with mostly level 15-20 players. Which is cool, but it means I spend a lot of time dying just to get to where everyone is. And then during the fights, my contribution isn't weighted as heavily because I'm such a low level. In two days of doing this I've managed to get one level.

The only time I've somewhat enjoyed Eureka was when I was invited to a low level group and we just farmed low level mobs for like an hour. I leveled up twice and got 11 crystals. THAT'S what I need to be doing. Trains are only fun when you're higher level. But I need crystals for gear.

[Avatre]

I've been trying to do this. I'm currently lvl 4 and every time I look for a group, I get invited to a train with mostly level 15-20 players. Which is cool, but it means I spend a lot of time dying just to get to where everyone is. And then during the fights, my contribution isn't weighted as heavily because I'm such a low level. In two days of doing this I've managed to get one level.

The only time I've somewhat enjoyed Eureka was when I was invited to a low level group and we just farmed low level mobs for like an hour. I leveled up twice and got 11 crystals. THAT'S what I need to be doing. Trains are only fun when you're higher level. But I need crystals for gear.

When you say you're looking for a group, are you saying in it you want a low level group? Or just something like "lfg"? If it's the later, than that's why you are being invited to mostly train parties.

Alternatively, you could start one with other lower levels(either in PF, or just shout that you're recruiting for a low level party) and do it that way. A lot of the time I see people shouting in Eureka for parties, they don't state their level(and not everyone has the player search open at all times).

[Lium]

When you say you're looking for a group, are you saying in it you want a low level group? Or just something like "lfg"? If it's the later, than that's why you are being invited to mostly train parties.

Alternatively, you could start one with other lower levels(either in PF, or just shout that you're recruiting for a low level party) and do it that way. A lot of the time I see people shouting in Eureka for parties, they don't state their level(and not everyone has the player search open at all times).

I always say my level. "lvl 4 rdm lfg" is how I say it. I don't say I'm looking for a low level group because I always think saying my own level gives it away. But I guess I need to start saying specifically what I'm looking for.

Or just start the group myself.

[Avatre]

I always say my level. "lvl 4 rdm lfg" is how I say it. I don't say I'm looking for a low level group because I always think saying my own level gives it away. But I guess I need to start saying specifically what I'm looking for.

Or just start the group myself.

Yeah, the more specific you are in your messages the more likely you will get the type of group you're looking for. Not always, but higher probability.