seems like FF community start to get known

[Ghastly]

Every single instance of people being "toxic" in this game is almost always someone getting upset because they are called bad. Just now i had a tank get triggered and leave because i said and i quote "You can pull more than just 2 mobs at a time", also called the tank out for moving extremely slow and looking into every nook and cranny of the dungeon while having every single class at lvl 70, right after telling me how toxic i am.

That was uncalled for. The tank sets the pace, healer's and dps's role is to follow, you're the followers, not the leader. The advise of pulling 2 things is fine, the rest is just literally bashing them on the head for not moving how you want them to move even though you signed up for a role which has 0 saying in how fast a dungeon run should go.

[kikix12]

That was uncalled for. The tank sets the pace, healer's and dps's role is to follow, you're the followers, not the leader. The advise of pulling 2 things is fine, the rest is just literally bashing them on the head for not moving how you want them to move even though you signed up for a role which has 0 saying in how fast a dungeon run should go.

A party is a party. Tank sets the pace for the pulls. The group sets the pace in general. Should the group go from pull to pull along the main path, or follow into the side roads for chests and the like?! That's groups, not tanks, right. What tank decides?! Whether to pull one group, two groups, three. Whether to rest on TP before making another pull, whether to "pull ahead" while the rest of the party is still a short distance behind the boss etc.

Don't mistake those two. Everyone is responsible for whatever is a part of their duty. Tanks duty is to draw mobs onto themselves...and that's the only part where they are the ones doing the deciding for the group. After all, the group is not there for the tank to go on a field trip. The group is there to do the dungeon for everyone.


And yes, I tank as well. As a tank, if the group wants to do all the mobs/avoid as many mobs as possible, I ask everyone what they want and follow suit.

[Crystal_Raven]

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No. I am a long time Tank player, ignore the lvl 53 arcanist, in reality i'm a 70 DK and 70 WHM, those are who i main atm, unsure how to change that in the forums. The tank does set the pace, for pulls. If you as a tank move so slow that you bore everyone else to death, it is YOU who needs to adapt, not the rest of the party.

You as a tank do not set the pace for the the entire party speed. The tank job is to pull mobs and hold aggro, not be extremely slow. I've had a couple of healers complain i pulled too little, so i pulled as much as possible, they could handle it, I could handle it, everyone was happy.

Stop with the whole "the tank is the leader of the party", you're really not. Even on my healer i'm usually the leader calling the shots because the tanks don't know what to do, a tank is a tank, you are not god, you are not the ultimate being, you are just another player that can be replaced if your behaviour is not acceptable.

[Ghastly]

You as a tank do not set the pace for the the entire party speed. The tank job is to pull mobs and hold aggro, not be extremely slow. I've had a couple of healers complain i pulled too little, so i pulled as much as possible, they could handle it, I could handle it, everyone was happy.

Stop with the whole "the tank is the leader of the party", you're really not. Even on my healer i'm usually the leader calling the shots because the tanks don't know what to do, a tank is a tank, you are not god, you are not the ultimate being, you are just another player that can be replaced if your behaviour is not acceptable.

The irony is you think the healer is the leader in both situations when you tank and when you heal. Moreover, your hyperbolic statements don't add any value to your point, leader and god are two different things. You can stomp your feet and feel that tanks are at fault but they're not, they're the ones pulling, without pulls the dungeon won't end.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The irony is you think the healer is the leader in both situations when you tank and when you heal. Moreover, your hyperbolic statements don't add any value to your point, leader and god are two different things.
You can stomp your feet and feel that tanks are at fault but they're not, they're the ones pulling, without pulls the dungeon won't end.

Tanks are only the leaders when they fully understand their capabilities and the capabilities of their party. Most tanks barely understand how to hold hate. These are not leaders, these are meat shields. You can do many dungeon pulls without a tank if you are careful. So if the tank is being a hindrance, you don't actually need them until bosses. sometimes. Being a tank doesn't give you the right to hold a party's time hostage by taking the full 90 minutes to RP walk through a dungeon at your leisure.


And for the record, I mained PLD through 3.5.

[Ghastly]

Tanks are only the leaders when they fully understand their capabilities and the capabilities of their party. Most tanks barely understand how to hold hate. These are not leaders, these are meat shields. And for the record, I mained PLD through 3.5.

A king is a king no matter how bad that king governs. We're talking about roles, not about how you feel about it. Kings can be given advise but it's ultimately up to them to set the pace.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

A king is a king no matter how bad that king governs. We're talking about roles, not about how you feel about it. Kings can be given advise but it's ultimately up to them to set the pace.

A tank is not a King. And a King is only a King as long as people don't overthrow him. Which happens to bad Kings. And Kings usually have an army backing them up. A tank has 3 people in a dungeon, and dungeons are majority rules, not kingdoms.

[Rivxkobe]

A king is a king

The delusion.

You are the kind of player that gives Tanks a bad name. I mained tank through all of HW and I 100% disagree with basically everything you are saying.

Tanks are not the "boss". They are not a "king". If I encountered you in a dungeon and you disregarded the team in a leveling dungeon because you wanted to look around, I'd push for you to be kicked or I'd just run off without you. Tanks are NOT needed in leveling dungeons, you are not more important than everyone else, and you can look around on your own time. The party is a team, and they are all the decision makers. Stop with this high-and-mighty tank-centric mindset.

There is a reason tanks are known to be selfish and awful players. I suggest you stop, and take a look at how you treat your party members or how you view them compared to yourself. You are nothing more than an equal part of the party.

[F_Maximillian]

The delusion.

You are the kind of player that gives Tanks a bad name. I mained tank through all of HW and I 100% disagree with basically everything you are saying.

Tanks are not the "boss". They are not a "king". If I encountered you in a dungeon and you disregarded the team in a leveling dungeon because you wanted to look around, I'd push for you to be kicked or I'd just run off without you. Tanks are NOT needed in leveling dungeons, you are not more important than everyone else, and you can look around on your own time. The party is a team, and they are all the decision makers. Stop with this high-and-mighty tank-centric mindset.

There is a reason tanks are known to be selfish and awful players. I suggest you stop, and take a look at how you treat your party members or how you view them compared to yourself. You are nothing more than an equal part of the party.

As a tank main and a selfish and awful player it's my job to aggro enemies not my party members so I tend to defer to diplomacy.. most of the time. Though I will say people like to heap responsibility on to the tank a lot of the time which is why so many people suffer from "tankxiety". So it's understandable why people who main tanks could come to assume they're the leaders of the group because they wind up being put in that spot often.

[Paladinleeds]

A king is a king no matter how bad that king governs.

Good thing you're not on my datacentre. I can see playstyle differences right there. My rule is: Have specific needs that go against the usual (tank anxiety, not familiar witrh the dungeon as a role, etc), you speak up. Where it isn't something ridiculous (say RPing it) I will accommodate (tank anxiety for example is something I will accommodate, though for that I will also try to gently encourage you most likely). But I cannot know unless you speak up. Most players on Chaos that I've interacted with seem to be the same. We're willing to find a compromise if we know one needs to be made. We might rant after the duty is complete to our FC etc, but for the dungeon we will work with it.