Forum etiquette - double-posting vs separating ideas?

[MoroMurasaki]

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You don't see anything wrong with making sweeping negative generalizations about people based on nothing more than a shared cultural background?

There's a book you might like called Mein Kampf.

[KisaiTenshi]

My post has nothing to do with respect; it’s about you ignoring what people are saying.

Like I said respect is earned, not given. I have years of CS experience, and you learn "don't feed the bear."

I never used any hostile language so I don't know what you are talking about.

Read any of your posts out loud to yourself.

There's a book you might like called Mein Kampf.

Another example of ***-posting. Also a hitler reference, so godwin law says the thread is over.

Look, it ultimately doesn't matter what I post on this thread anymore, I said what I wanted to say, several people felt I was calling them out, and thus took it as a personal insult. All we need a few more frequent posters from GD to post here, and it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy anyway.

So everyone do yourselves a favor, bite back any desire to insult me. If your ego is so fragile that you felt called out, then all you've done is proven me right.

[KaivaC]

All we need a few more frequent posters from GD to post here, and it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy anyway

So you're expecting a few more folks? Oh, do tell. *grabs notebook* I'm verrrry curious.

*kitten smile*

[Iscah]

I use snip quotes if I have to. Since I'm on mobile, I can't edit my posts; snipping ensures I can get my opinion out without having to worry (much) about character limit.

I understand that people might need to delete a lengthy quote to save space (so they don't have to do fiddly mobile editing or whatever) - though as I was saying, in my original post, I would find it much easier to follow if you replaced it with a very short summary of what the person was talking about, rather than the word "snip". Eg. if I replaced your quote with "re. snipping for length".

Umm... No, it does not. It's for reading convenience. When those of us use mobile, snipping posts allows us to avoid hitting the post limit since we can't edit on mobile. Sometimes, don't want to have a huge wall of texts when posting a reply, so it's snipped. It's not rude at all. That's a huge reach you've made there.

I agree that KisaiTenshi may be overstating it by saying that replacing a quote with "snip" is equivalent to "what you said means nothing" - at least I *think* that's the specific quote you're responding to, but I can't actually tell because you didn't leave the quoted text there.

However, I don't consider completely removing the text to give any "reading convenience" - instead it just makes me uncertain exactly what part of the conversation a quoter is responding to, and I may have to stop and read back to work out the context.

Regarding snipping, quotes have a blue arrows button that links directly back to the post in question. If you want to talk "disrespect" then respect the quoted poster enough to click that blue button to go back and read their post in the full context it was originally posted in.

Having to move up and down the discussion to follow the context of quotes doesn't seem like the best solution to me. It's a backup option if the responder has deleted the quote text, or in a long thread where the context may be a long way back - but it makes for a much easier 'flow' of reading down the page if you've got the text (or a summary of it) there to keep track of the conversation, or which of several conversations your post is adding to.

As long as you don't edit posts in order to reply to something later in the thread, you're good in my book.

Oh goodness, I've noticed people do that a few times and I find it so confusing. Post efficiency is one thing, but editing a post to add a quote-and-response to something that is further down the page puts it all out-of-order.

[HyoMinPark]

Oh goodness, I've noticed people do that a few times and I find it so confusing. Post efficiency is one thing, but editing a post to add a quote-and-response to something that is further down the page puts it all out-of-order.

To offer a perspective, I do this when I run out of posts for the day. Since the forum limits you to 20 posts per day, if you’re having a conversation with someone and suddenly meet that limit, a lot of people will go back and add it into their last post in the thread. Sadly, more have a tendency to appear after that, leading to the conversation being disjointed, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do when the forum limits you in terms of daily post counts.

[Dualgunner]

Having to move up and down the discussion to follow the context of quotes doesn't seem like the best solution to me. It's a backup option if the responder has deleted the quote text, or in a long thread where the context may be a long way back - but it makes for a much easier 'flow' of reading down the page if you've got the text (or a summary of it) there to keep track of the conversation, or which of several conversations your post is adding to.

Issue now is you're arguing how you personally want the forums to read. As an avid mobile user, myself, who devours threads at a time, I prefer it more if I'm not suddenly hitting deja vu and completely rereading a post I've already read, and prefer the "To Post" button to refresh myself on context if needed.

[Miste]

Read any of your posts out loud to yourself.

....and?

There is still no hostile language in my posts so I still don't understand what you are talking about.

Unless you are reading my posts and creating a "tone" in your mind?

If so then you assumed the tone incorrectly.

You are imagining things in my posts that aren't there.

several people felt I was calling them out, and thus took it as a personal insult.

Can you point out anyone who took it as a personal insult? Unless you ask them how would you know they are insulted?

Disagreeing or calling out something that is obviously unnecessary rude behavior doesn't always mean the person who called you out is insulted or offended because of it.

So just like you assuming the tone in my posts you are also just assuming this as well when in reality you don't know at all.

[MoroMurasaki]

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Oh Kisai.

I'm not insulted by anything you have to say, please don't worry about that! I'm concerned that you think it's okay to blatantly insult a huge swathe of the population based on nothing but shared heritage which is wildly inappropriate.

You're wrong. You actually are getting called out. You can't handle it. I would feel sorry for you if, again, you weren't demonstarting some serious disrespect for most of the players of this game and a good portion of living people.

[Sigma-Astra]

Like I said respect is earned, not given. I have years of CS experience, and you learn "don't feed the bear."

With your behavior on the forums suddenly towards other posters, you haven't really earned any sort of respect either. I have 9 years of customer service as well and it's still ongoing, that doesn't mean I'm qualified to make generalized statements that condemn a sizable chunk of the population to stereotypes based on my own personal views.

But, you're not looking to debate or discuss ideas rationally, you're just looking for being told that you're right.

[KisaiTenshi]

But, you're not looking to debate or discuss ideas rationally, you're just looking for being told that you're right.

Nope. Take a closer look at what I actually said.

Most "western" forums don't have these limits, because western people have an inflated ego, and see "dem's fightin' words" everywhere if everyone isn't praising them.

And if you start moderating them, they cry censorship! Free Speech! Blah blah blah.

But that wasn't enough, because YOU took it as a personal insult first.

.....I think that's a bit rude to make a generalized assumption that everyone who lives on the western side of the hemisphere have inflated egos, especially after you just talked about flamewars and trolls. I mean, it doesn't matter what side of the world you live on, everyone has an ego, just some people make their own more apparent than others.

To which I responded to why that is the case:

I manage/manged 4 or so "big" boards, and there are entire forums dedicated to "forum games" that do nothing but inflate the post count. Trust me, people post, just to be seen.

At least two of these boards date back to 1999. I've seen things. I've also seen how Reddit and 4chan have turned "forums" participants into rage warriors. Twitter and Tumblr have done nothing but drive a wedge between people who would get along if it wasn't for this incessant need for people to "call out" people they disagree with. A not-recent thing is "receipting" which is when people take screenshots of other peoples social media posts, often without their knowledge in a vendetta to try and shut the person up. This is all old drama that I've had front row seats to before.

The fact is, in point form:

1. The people who participate on large forums, feel the need to be seen.

Larger post counts in the case of is seen as a competitive ego challenge. There are entire forums, where there's sub-forums set aside for people to do nothing but ****-post in to keep it out of the General discussion where moderators don't want to keep removing their posts. This 100% true, and I have not seen any exception to this except when a forum is either very small, or has aggressive moderation. The SE forum for all that matters is unmoderated, and only limited by the post count.

If you read something else from that point that isn't "the post count limit is designed to prevent people from ****-posting endlessly" you're reading the wrong thing from it. If the post count didn't exist, the tech forum would be more useful, because as it stands right now, the tech forum allows you to post without the limit, but counts against the global limit, so if you respond 25 times on the tech forum, you will be unable to post anywhere else for two days.

2. When you try to moderate an English Language forum, you will get accused of censorship, hence many forums try to have a light touch as possible to avoid notorious trolls from crying censorship and dividing the community as to if their ban was worth the forum cleanup. In Customer Service situations, everyone can see what you're saying, and some people are intentionally "receipting" behaviors to show they were being mistreated, when in context, they were the instigators.

3. If you really care about what you have to say, start a blog. Nothing says forum participation is more worthless more than carefully researching a post that takes an hour, only to have the usual band of ****-posters latch onto the most generalized part of the post and go "Not everyone..."

Which is what happened here. You've found insult, where none was implied. You took a deliberate gross exaggeration and made it personal. Then others decided to dogpile on that without the context. If only there was a standard for sarcasm on the internet s/ .

So you're expecting a few more folks? Oh, do tell. *grabs notebook* I'm verrrry curious.

*kitten smile*

My Self-fullfilling Prophecy bingo card is almost filled out. What about yours? :P

But you did this very thing but a page ago. So... are you not rude as well. After all, by your own rules, snipping posts is rude.

Deleting everything but what you respond to is not "snipping". Deleting everything from the quoted post and replacing it with "snip" or something like "blahblahblah" is rude. If I remove a part of quoted post, it's because I'm not responding to the rest of it for reasons of either "context" or "focus". As the forum actively prevents double-quoting, the only way to get the complete context for a post is to quote the pieces necessary, and forum software often has a limit to this as well.

Use Google Scholar and look up "Social desirability, anonymity, and internet-based questionnaires", or "Can You See the Real Me? Activation and Expression of the True Self on the Internet"

People, simply put, are uninhibited on the internet when they are anonymous. People who post a lot, want to be seen, or want to be popular. People who are raging trolls on the interent, are bullies, and likely to ignore rules as long as they get what they want.