Red Mages need some love

[Darkkos]

RDM is already lower than bard in most instances. And you want it to be...even lower?

Oh really? I didnt know rdm was already the lowest dps... Then dont lower the potency but make it a full support job , and lock out that dual cast verraise if thats one of the reason why we dont get more supports/dps (Swiftcast + Raise is more than enough)

[Dualgunner]

Oh really? I didnt know rdm was already the lowest dps... Then dont lower the potency but make it a full support job , and lock out that dual cast verraise if thats one of the reason why we dont get more supports/dps (Swiftcast + Raise is more than enough)

Sorry, I suppose I was pretty hostile. A lot of people assume RDM is really strong because they can see big numbers coming off of their spells, but a lot of things go into the job's overall dps that affect it: it has no DoT abilities, it has small burst phases with a big payoff phase if you use it right, and it has nothing that can capitalize on party bursts with. Not to mention that its core damage utility, embolden, doesn't even affect some of the heaviest hitting attacks in it's kit.

On the site that shall not be named, there are results for how every job ranks against each other for the whole tier.

If we're going to run with the idea that:
BLM=SAM
SMN=MNK
???=DRG
RDM=NIN

Then RDM needs to have a roughly equivalent support toolkit to NIN or BRD, like you said. I'm also in agreement with regards to verraise--the funniest thing is, I shouldn't even have to be, because dualcast verraise is an overestimated utility outside of bleeding-edge prog.