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    Kabooa's Avatar
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    Jace Ossura
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
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    Masahiro Kido
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayori View Post
    I feel like Red Mages get the low end of the stick after progression ends. I love to play red mage, but it makes me sad to ditch it after progression just because every other job contributes way more to the party.
    Bye Felicia.
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    Antony Gabbiani
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    Well with same argument you can say raise not have any value, because you dont need raise if nobody die.
    I already did say it’s an over valued utility skill. So, you’re right.
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    Darkkos Da'ert
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    Just drop rdm potency a bit and give it more supoort to be a full support dps job like Bard ...

    Blm should be the highest dps of the 3 casters
    Smn bellow Blm (because they have supports skills)
    Rdm last... but it would be the support/dps of the mages

    I think thats how they should make the casters
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    Doom Moonwalker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkkos View Post
    Just drop rdm potency a bit and give it more supoort to be a full support dps job like Bard ...

    Blm should be the highest dps of the 3 casters
    Smn bellow Blm (because they have supports skills)
    Rdm last... but it would be the support/dps of the mages

    I think thats how they should make the casters
    Hybrid tax in my opinion is a dead concept. Ultimately, it should be player skill with the class which determines DPS.
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    Ryaz Darksbane
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewAgeDoom View Post
    Hybrid tax in my opinion is a dead concept. Ultimately, it should be player skill with the class which determines DPS.
    It's not so much a hybrid tax as a support tax. It's about the utility they bring vs the damage they do as opposed to being able to fill different roles.

    There's a reason why Ninja and Dragoons are always desired despite doing lower personal dps over a Samurai who brings nothing BUT personal DPS. If they had the same damage potential as a Samurai, there would be zero reason to bring anything but.
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    Lilila Lila
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryaz View Post
    It's not so much a hybrid tax as a support tax. It's about the utility they bring vs the damage they do as opposed to being able to fill different roles.

    There's a reason why Ninja and Dragoons are always desired despite doing lower personal dps over a Samurai who brings nothing BUT personal DPS. If they had the same damage potential as a Samurai, there would be zero reason to bring anything but.
    Okay, but again, the support RDM brings does not justify its low damage. It's on the same damage tier as bard, therefore it should have the same level of support; it just doesn't.
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    Ryaz Darksbane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    Okay, but again, the support RDM brings does not justify its low damage. It's on the same damage tier as bard, therefore it should have the same level of support; it just doesn't.
    Oh, I agree RDM needs a damage buff as the only real support they bring every fight is Embolden and a couple "Oh crap" abilities. They should be adjusted to be a little above BRD/MCH levels, but shouldn't be pumping out the same damage as a BLM, for instance, as the person seemed to suggest with removing the "hybrid tax".
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    Last edited by Ryaz; 05-01-2018 at 05:30 PM.

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    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Moro Murasaki
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    Zalera
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryaz View Post
    there would be zero reason to bring anything but.
    A NIN uses TA every fight. A DRG uses Disembowel and BA every fight. These abilities should always be seeing use.

    If your RDM uses Verraise every fight there is something really wrong.

    That's the problem - is it truly effective utility if you never make use of it? Or are they dead buttons?

    Unrelated but I just saw this while reviewing the thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Neela View Post
    Potd, Eureka and the teased 4.3 Dragonball-Tower – that's what RDMs are actually made for..."Hi Necromancer!" - forget about raiding ;3
    Is this person real? This is like... offensive. This is a caricature of an internet troll except the scary part is they might be real.
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    Last edited by MoroMurasaki; 05-01-2018 at 04:46 PM.

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