Red Mages need some love

[Neela]

I don’t think the punishment for death should be a consideration for how much damage a job should do. Don’t die and you don’t have that issue.

If your mind goes like that let’s but it that way:
„Play another DD if u wanna make serious dmg.“

See where your arguments brought u? ;3

[Kabooa]

If your mind goes like that let’s but it that way:
„Play another DD if u wanna make serious dmg.“

See where your arguments brought u? ;3

That doesn't work, simply because all jobs are expected to do competitive damage when paired up against one in similar gear and played at a similar level.

No job is balanced around death.

[wereotter]

If your mind goes like that let’s but it that way:
„Play another DD if u wanna make serious dmg.“

See where your arguments brought u? ;3

No, my point is there are two other melee jobs that are punished for dying, dragoon pretty heavily, that don't have their damage output increased to compensate for "maybe the player of this job will die"

As pointed out by Kabooa, the jobs should be balanced around playing at similar skill level and gear, not off how often the player of the job dies, and if two jobs offer similar levels of utility, and are impacted equally by raid mechanics (death is not a mechanic) then they ought to be doing similar levels of damage. However if another job is more heavily impacted by raid mechanics, and brings less utility (black mage, I'm looking at you) then it should be doing more damage than other jobs.

[Shiroe]

rdm should get "vercover" (but without losing any of its own Hp) => jack of all trades is intesified.., makes more sense to me

cant have the rdm with its utility (as it has now), do the same damage as a smn .. or blm

[Kabooa]

rdm should get "vercover" (but without losing any of its own Hp)

jack of all trades is intesified.., cant have the rdm with its utility do the same damage as a smn .. or blm

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[Shiroe]

a "tank"-like move is still missing in the jack of all trades repertoire..

[Kabooa]

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[Mhaeric]

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[Sunako]

See also monk, and dragon if you die and have to build back up your job resources.

I don’t think the punishment for death should be a consideration for how much damage a job should do. Don’t die and you don’t have that issue.

Well with same argument you can say raise not have any value, because you dont need raise if nobody die.

[Dualgunner]

Well with same argument you can say raise not have any value, because you dont need raise if nobody die.

That's actually RDM's problem, yeah. It's main utility is useless if nobody dies, which nobody should.

rdm should get "vercover" (but without losing any of its own Hp) => jack of all trades is intesified.., makes more sense to me

cant have the rdm with its utility (as it has now), do the same damage as a smn .. or blm

Yup, can't have RDM objectively be SMN but weaker in every aspect, and be anywhere near SMN's damage.