Red Mages need some love

[Dualgunner]

Also Red Mage is now the only job that has not seen any changes, this far into the expansion really SE?

It got one change. A bug fix which works out to be a bit of a shadow nerf lol.

[Jonnycbad]

I doubt they will overhaul RDM. Perhaps adjust some potencies/Mana, or modify the bonus granted by Embolden. They're not going to fundamentally change how Dual Cast works. Just make it so it's roughly on par with SMN, damage wise. RDM has instant cast Raises and Cures and can cast while moving most of the time between GCDs, so they can't and won't put it on par with BLM, which is an immobile turret style glass cannon, and SMN gets most of its DPS from instant cast and DoT spells.

[EllieShadeflare]

I doubt they will overhaul RDM. Perhaps adjust some potencies/Mana, or modify the bonus granted by Embolden. They're not going to fundamentally change how Dual Cast works. Just make it so it's roughly on par with SMN, damage wise. RDM has instant cast Raises and Cures and can cast while moving most of the time between GCDs, so they can't and won't put it on par with BLM, which is an immobile turret style glass cannon, and SMN gets most of its DPS from instant cast and DoT spells.

Trouble is, the devs have outright stated that its their intention to keep Red Mage somewhat weak due to its multi rez, so the only way to buff it is to nerf or remove Rez. I don't get why people put so much value on the rez outside of prog or lower tier content, since the penalties for dying and being rezzed outweigh the benefits of rezzing.

[LordMaitreya]

the devs have outright stated that its their intention to keep Red Mage somewhat weak due to its multi rez,

Please provide a link where the developers allegedly said this.

[EllieShadeflare]

Please provide a link where the developers allegedly said this.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...282-27-2018%29

Q: Do you have any plans to buff or provide support abilities for jobs that didn’t receive any adjustments in Patch 4.2 such as samurai and red mage?

A: We have no plans to make any adjustments to red mage at this time. We believe increasing red mage’s DPS while retaining its current abilities would cause a disruption to balance.

Considering that Embolden is easily proven to be one of the worst support abilities in the game, it's very clear that it's in reference to Verraise's existence.

And yes, the question specifically mentions buffing jobs or giving them support abilities, so this would preclude a chance to buff Embolden or their damage. The devs use parsers just like we do, so they should know that Red Mage is below every class in the game in terms of damage and raid contribution.

...honestly this has been common knowledge for some time, I don't know why you suddenly decide to raise contention.

[LordMaitreya]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...282-27-2018%29

...honestly this has been common knowledge for some time, I don't know why you suddenly decide to raise contention.

I trust but verify. Thank you for the link.

I guess the Red Mage’s main hope at this point is for the developers to realize they are wrong like they did with 2.0 era warrior when they basically said the job is fine and the players needed to get better and then they turned around and massively buffed the job.

I would leave rdm damage alone for now make embolden affect magic damage and be 10% it’s entire duration. Basically a ranged caster version of Ninja.

[Zerathor]

Maybe make embolden apply to magic damage as well? I don't think rdm should carry much of any personal damage, but perhaps greater contribution as a support type job. The only issue is its quick rez abilities have to weigh into the job or it'd just be a bit unbalanced. Even if it's not useful at the farming phase, it's still immeasurably powerful in learning phase, and that should be accounted for in its ballance.

I feel like if you'd take away their multi rez power and buffed their damage, it'd just become a different flavor of smn and lose its unique role. And of course ONE of them will still be ahead of the other if that change happened, and it'd be back at square one.

[EllieShadeflare]

Maybe make embolden apply to magic damage as well? I don't think rdm should carry much of any personal damage, but perhaps greater contribution as a support type job. The only issue is its quick rez abilities have to weigh into the job or it'd just be a bit unbalanced. Even if it's not useful at the farming phase, it's still immeasurably powerful in learning phase, and that should be accounted for in its ballance.

I feel like if you'd take away their multi rez power and buffed their damage, it'd just become a different flavor of smn and lose its unique role. And of course ONE of them will still be ahead of the other if that change happened, and it'd be back at square one.

Part of why I suggested we let them have a flavor of multi rez by making Dualcast similar to Lightspeed.

[Maero]

@ Jonnycbad, well none of us are expecting to be on par with blm because that would just be wrong, but at least on par with say Bard, lol

[Jonnycbad]

I'm not saying make RDM as strong as SMN, but either on par or slightly weaker. As it stands RDM is heavily below casters. I get that we can Raise, but it's a heavy hit to our MP (maybe double the MP requirement? to allow for more potency on other skills?)