Stop with the pay to win advanages for retainers, suggestions on fixes

[Embercrisp]

If you think this app will change game play in the game and make people be able to "control the MB" you are delusional. People have had max retainers for a long time and now that they have a option to upgrade another we want to start crying around?

[Rinuko]

If you think this app will change game play in the game and make people be able to "control the MB" you are delusional. People have had max retainers for a long time and now that they have a option to upgrade another we want to start crying around?

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I've had max retainers since it was introduced. I hardly control any market on the MB.

To be perfectly honest, the apps concept (imo) is garbage. They want real money to change MB listing via mobile phones etc. Anyone who pays for that is stupid.

I'm not sure i'd go as far calling anyone 'stupid' for using the app. How people chose to spend their money is their thing.
I'd like to add to Vstar and anyone who gonna bash on this comment that i don't think a majority will use the premium plan and ruin the market

[Vstarstruck]

If you think this app will change game play in the game and make people be able to "control the MB" you are delusional. People have had max retainers for a long time and now that they have a option to upgrade another we want to start crying around?

No you are delusional.

See now you are back to calling it pay to win again. Actually, the most comical thing

Items that you have to obtain in the first place.

You only say this because you do not know what pay to win means. he most comical thing here is not being able to see what pay to win is. You pay real life money for an advantage, all it means, me and Momomi explained time and time again you are not understanding what it means. You are taking the word "win" and auguring semantics too literally. Retainers always been pay to win, the only difference now vs then is how much tolerance there was to it, that yet again people are ingoring what I and Momomi had to say on the matter (and others)

And once you have enough gils to buy everything you need, gils are worthless. And any serious farmer can earn enough gils to buy new items every time they're released, and nobody cares how many gils other people have so there's no competitive aspect of it.

See? look how little understanding you have on the subject. Why are you even posting if you are unwilling to try to understand what people are telling you? Just because you do not care, does not change the fact it is a pay to win system.

so what i learn from this thread is OP want to take control the MB but she/he cant do that because there is optional retainer

there is no P2W tbh,it will be different story when there is no free retainer at all.

maybe SE need to make another currency for rent a retainer and you can buy it with real money or gil for win win solution.let say that "A" currency cost is 1mil gil so you need 5mil/month (for 5 "A" currency) to rent 5 retainer

I gave the solution in the first post, STOP SELLING sale space!!!! anything past 2 retainers, do not let them sell items, not hard. I find it amusing everyone trying to defend this not pay to win is trying to ignore buying more sell slots.

[Reynhart]

You only say this because you do not know what pay to win means.

No, I'm posting because your made up definition is not convincing. And you can explain it again and again, it's still a made up definition. Saying it over and over won't make it magically true. What baffles me is that you don't seem to ask yourself why it is called "pay-to-win" in the first place.

Again, the article quoted by Momomi contains several keywords regarding the mindset behind pay-to-win and none of them apply to this app...or to retainers.

[KuuroYuuki]

I gave the solution in the first post, STOP SELLING sale space!!!! anything past 2 retainers, do not let them sell items, not hard. I find it amusing everyone trying to defend this not pay to win is trying to ignore buying more sell slots.

and then there will be another thread like this from ppl who already pay retainer rent

make some limitation to system not easy as you say btw.

have many sale space is useless since there is ppl who undercut price.i always do undercut 5k-10k gil and my sale space always empty 30min after i put items in it.

if you really want gil so bad just do undercut and your sale spaces will empty,it useless to complain about additional retainer sale spaces anyway.

and then what the point of this thread anyway?force your argument or find solution for retainer "problem" that you make?

[SinisterJoints]

You only say this because you do not know what pay to win means. he most comical thing here is not being able to see what pay to win is. You pay real life money for an advantage, all it means, me and Momomi explained time and time again you are not understanding what it means. You are taking the word "win" and auguring semantics too literally. Retainers always been pay to win, the only difference now vs then is how much tolerance there was to it, that yet again people are ingoring what I and Momomi had to say on the matter (and others)




See? look how little understanding you have on the subject. Why are you even posting if you are unwilling to try to understand what people are telling you? Just because you do not care, does not change the fact it is a pay to win system.





I gave the solution in the first post, STOP SELLING sale space!!!! anything past 2 retainers, do not let them sell items, not hard. I find it amusing everyone trying to defend this not pay to win is trying to ignore buying more sell slots.

Wait wait, this is great...

Let me get this straight.... out of MY ENTIRE POST you quote this " See now you are back to calling it pay to win again. Actually, the most comical thing ".... and then respond to a half arse quoted line with some dodgy response? Pretty much ignoring the meat and potatoes of my post to "fit" your agenda.. see what I did there?

Ill be honest Vstar, with a hidden lodestone you arent going to convince me that your opinion matters at all.

You probably aren't max on all crafter/gatherer, and have only the base amount of retainers (which is 2) lol...

[Paladinleeds]

Ill be honest Vstar, with a hidden lodestone you arent going to convince me that your opinion matters at all.

You probably aren't max on all crafter/gatherer, and have only the base amount of retainers (which is 2) lol...

I've looked at their Lodestone (wasn't hidden for me strangely enough), they have BLM 60 and ACN 27. That's it! Nothing else is unlocked. So take that for what you will.

[Lilseph]

I've looked at their Lodestone (wasn't hidden for me strangely enough), they have BLM 60 and ACN 27. That's it! Nothing else is unlocked. So take that for what you will.

Yeah, it's not hidden, but it's an alt account.

I really don't know why they stick with that definition from Wikipedia, to be honest. They are constantly saying the "WIN" part is subjective and can be taken as an advantage. That's not what the article ACTUALLY states. It doesn't mention anywhere that it's not a WIN in its most literal term. But after being completely subjective, they end up their arguments with "It's P2W". Reminds me of this phrase: "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself."

If you rely a piece of information, you need to be objective about it and not give it your own meaning to fit your agenda. That's manipulation of information.

[Paladinleeds]

Yeah, it's not hidden, but it's an alt account.

Ah yeah got you. I wonder why they've thrown an alt character in instead of the main though? Since technically, it's going to cause people to devalue what they have to say.

As for me, I'm mostly neutral on this. Won't use it myself (don't think it's worth it), but decided it's best not to try and dictate what others do.

[Lilseph]

Ah yeah got you. I wonder why they've thrown an alt character in instead of the main though? Since technically, it's going to cause people to devalue what they have to say.

As for me, I'm mostly neutral on this. Won't use it myself (don't think it's worth it), but decided it's best not to try and dictate what others do.

It's alright. I don't consider it a big deal myself. Maybe they got banned? Maybe they are using an alt account to be a butt on the forums and get away with it? I don't have idea. The issue with not revealing your info might be that they can straight lie about "their experience"; in this case as a crafter, just to enrich their argument.