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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoLupinos View Post
    Tank and Healers are not cool enough or fun enough to play than the DPS role.
    I don't know, I think it's more a case of people don't want the responsibility.
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    Sum to that, there are less Tanks and Healers to master.
    More jobs doesn't mean more players will use them. That's the observation they made during HW and part of the reason why they didn't release new ones in SB.

    Keep in mind, regarding the OP, that we talk about level cap content, so leveling jobs should be out of the equation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    I don't know, I think it's more a case of people don't want the responsibility.

    More jobs doesn't mean more players will use them. That's the observation they made during HW and part of the reason why they didn't release new ones in SB.

    Keep in mind, regarding the OP, that we talk about level cap content, so leveling jobs should be out of the equation.
    Acording to you, there's no solution then, and we just need to change to other game? You're just showing how much I'm wrong without suggesting any better way to solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoLupinos View Post
    Acording to you, there's no solution then, and we just need to change to other game? You're just showing how much I'm wrong without suggesting any better way to solution.
    No. Your suggestion about the class system is very interesting, and I've suggested something like that in another topic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    More importantly, I think branching could have a very good impact on healer and tank population. First of all, if there was a branching, I think each class should branch into 1 DPS and either 1 tank or 1 healer. This way, if you level a DPS, you'll have one of the other leveled too. And since it's already leveled and you'll be familiar with how the core class works (Like the basic WS rotation), you might be more comfortable switching to this role than you'll be to level it from scratch.
    Saddly, that's one solution which, IMO, has a very low probability of happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post

    More jobs doesn't mean more players will use them. That's the observation they made during HW and part of the reason why they didn't release new ones in SB.

    Keep in mind, regarding the OP, that we talk about level cap content, so leveling jobs should be out of the equation.
    That seemed more like they just insisted on SAM and RDM be DPS. Then they had lied to themselves that everything would be ok with that. Because before that, Yoshi-P in part blamed the long tank queue times for Void Ark on DRK. He said DRK had increased the number of tanks playing. So which is it? DRK had no effect on how many played tanks or it didn't? They can't both be true. Then after SB released with 2 new DPS jobs the tank shortage got so bad, they had to do an emergency maintenance to have the leveling roulette give out cracked clusters for the adventurer in need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariane View Post
    Because before that, Yoshi-P in part blamed the long tank queue times for Void Ark on DRK. He said DRK had increased the number of tanks playing. So which is it? DRK had no effect on how many played tanks or it didn't? They can't both be true.
    they can both be true in different context. 24 man raids many people run for glamours or to gear a specific alt classes. that number increasing doesn't necessarily mean the overall number of tanks that would do other things like Expert/Leveling/Trial roulette would also increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariane View Post
    He said DRK had increased the number of tanks playing. So which is it? DRK had no effect on how many played tanks or it didn't? They can't both be true.
    Quoting this article
    The reason for the choice is that data showed players who played a tank or healer as their main class pre-Heavensward kept those jobs and new players didn’t flock to the roles.
    I also found this interview, which adressed the situation in a slighty different way :
    Looking at it from a role balance perspective, our data shows that the percentage of players who prefer tanks is about 22%, while healers are at 21%. Of course, ideally it would be nice if it was closer to 25% for each of those roles, but it’s still very close to that, so we feel that there is no point in trying to force people into doing something they don’t enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Quoting this article

    I also found this interview, which adressed the situation in a slighty different way :
    You should look at this one.

    Yoshida: The delay for tanks is longer in Void Ark because the addition of dark knight has had the effect of more players adventuring as tanks. Also, many players queue as tank to get a shorter waiting time, but since only three tanks are needed for Void Ark, it actually results in a longer wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erim-Nelhah View Post
    What if, as a DPS-only player, you only have about 1 hour per day to play? With the current queue times, that's roughly 2 Sigmascape runs (or Trial roulette), 1 Roulette (other than trial), or 0 Rabanastre runs (Yes, that's a zero, for being over an hour total). All of that, combined with perhaps not even being able to play every day, means that someone with that kind of time constraints may have to choose between Sigmascape and capping tomes.
    If you have that little time to play and are bored of simply capping tomestones (Can't blame anyone on that one ) then, yes, it's a bit harsh.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ariane View Post
    You should look at this one.
    At 3.1, DRK, AST and MCH were still "fresh". Yoshida stated that lots of players jumped on the new jobs, but once the novelty was passed, most people were back to their usual role.
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