Stop with the pay to win advanages for retainers, suggestions on fixes

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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Operative word: Some

The very next sentence emphasizing the subjective nature regarding Pay to Win.

You're also over exaggerating how much control people have on the MB. The app, itself, has limited adjustments—only two per day. Unless this changes, two price adjustments over a span of two hundred items is nothing. Someone with only two retainers but substantially more free time will have their own advantage. Now if the app does allow for unlimited price adjustment, you could make more of an argument, however that doesn't seem to be the case.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

then going to extremes this app can significantly help someone to completely control the MB, they really do not see the issue here? Are they hoping someone will whale this and spam undercut and buying out for market control?

Where are you getting that definition from out of curiosity? and I hope you don't link me a wikipedia page. P2W has such a subjective definition to it, there's a reason these arguments on what falls under it even happen. It isn't as clear-cut and factual as anyone would like it to be.

Beyond that, I'm pretty much neutral on the app, but I'm going to point this out as I know several omni-crafter peeps on Gilgamesh that war on the marketboard at each other, but trust me, if someone wants to control the market, there are FAR easier ways of doing it than using this app. Multi-boxing characters gives you infinitely more storage space and competing power than this app will ever give. I even know someone that if he seriously wanted, would take him less than a day to control the entire food/potion markets.

If someone truly wanted to control the marketboard on a server, it would have happened by now.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Where are you getting that definition from out of curiosity? and I hope you don't link me a wikipedia page. P2W has such a subjective definition to it, there's a reason these arguments on what falls under it even happen. It isn't as clear-cut and factual as anyone would like it to be.

Beyond that, I'm pretty much neutral on the app, but I'm going to point this out as I know several omni-crafter peeps on Gilgamesh that war on the marketboard at each other, but trust me, if someone wants to control the market, there are FAR easier ways of doing it than using this app. Multi-boxing characters gives you infinitely more storage space and competing power than this app will ever give. I even know someone that if he seriously wanted, would take him less than a day to control the entire food/potion markets.

If someone truly wanted to control the marketboard on a server, it would have happened by now.

It, indeed, comes from Wikipedia. Look under Criticisms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play

And Cactuar already has such a problem. Just last night I counted our resident botter listing twenty five stacks of 99 on a single Infusion. The app isn't going to offer any better advantage than SE's lax approach to botting.

[Yshnal]

OP, I advise you to just give up trying to discuss anything with this certain part of the community, and just vote with your wallet (the only and true language that SE will hear and understand). It's just not worth it. I talk from years of experience here and in other games (which either flopped or became full P2W... or both at once). Many of us tried to warn the community about this, about the path that the game is following slowly but steadily, and that was met with the exact same replies that you're getting now. It's sad that some people seem unable to see that over time they keep paying more and more while they get less things in return, not to mention the glaring issues that we've been suffering since 2.0. Even worse, they even try to defend it.

There's other gaming companies with better ethics than SE out there. I know that it sucks, especially if you invested a lot of time and money here, but you're just hitting a wall with your head. It's better to devote that energy and time to play something else that you can enjoy on your terms.

[Vstarstruck]

Operative word: Some

The very next sentence emphasizing the subjective nature regarding Pay to Win.

You're also over exaggerating how much control people have on the MB. The app, itself, has limited adjustments—only two per day. Unless this changes, two price adjustments over a span of two hundred items is nothing. Someone with only two retainers but substantially more free time will have their own advantage. Now if the app does allow for unlimited price adjustment, you could make more of an argument, however that doesn't seem to be the case.

so that is the issue, you don't know how it works or what they said, you have UNLIMITED amount of transaction changes on the mb for a microtransaction on it. You can buy those moogle coins or whatever they called it with IRL money purchase.

For the others, I am not talking about inventory space on p2w, I am talking about SELL slots, you know how you can list 20 items to sell? base sub is only 40 sale slots, where a pt2w has 200 slots, across 8 chrs, it is 320 slots where p2w is 1600 slots. This is enough to have a large control of the MB, or at least full control on limited items such as highly sought after minions, glams that are locked behind limited means, like the company hat for this weeks glam, the limited airship mat attached to it ahd the hat itself skyrocked, if I chose to (again i don't purely on moral grounds) it wouldn't be hard to fully control it.

I advise you stop making a fool of yourself.What you are talking about is in no way pay to win.
Even if people can get easier cash from these services the use of gil in game is limited anyway.What can you buy with it honestly ?A house.There are restrictions with houseing so gil is irrelevant most of the time in that equation.Some extra stats from crafted gear?The current crafted gear is equal to eureka gear which is quite easy to grind.With the exception of accs of course which can be bought or crafted easily enough currently.Materia for melds?Well you get tonnes now from hunts and Eureka.Buying them isnt needed.
The new services will in no way affect actual gameplay and you know this.
You're just ranting out of spite because they are selling needless services you dont want to pay for.

You do realise I replied to this right? this is the very reason it is so easy to control, because of the low activity. Since it is not needed, not as many care about selling things. So for someone that does care? they got a lot of power and if someone wants to, this app increases such power by significant amounts.

OP, I advise you to just give up trying to discuss anything with this certain part of the community, and just vote with your wallet (the only and true language that SE will hear and understand). It's just not worth it. I talk from years of experience here and in other games (which either flopped or became full P2W... or both at once). Many of us tried to warn the community about this, about the path that the game is following slowly but steadily, and that was met with the exact same replies that you're getting now. It's sad that some people seem unable to see that over time they keep paying more and more while they get less things in return, not to mention the glaring issues that we've been suffering since 2.0. Even worse, they even try to defend it.

There's other gaming companies with better ethics than SE out there. I know that it sucks, especially if you invested a lot of time and money here, but you're just hitting a wall with your head. It's better to devote that energy and time to play something else that you can enjoy on your terms.

it has been done, 11 days I can't post anymore

And Cactuar already has such a problem. Just last night I counted our resident botter listing twenty five stacks of 99 on a single Infusion. The app isn't going to offer any better advantage than SE's lax approach to botting.

some servers don't have that huge of botting issue as yours does, so it is another point of view that lacks info on the other conflict. also you can't see this would make craft botting worse? giving them more control over more markets with the added sell space while being able streamline price changes while crafting and such?

Where are you getting that definition from out of curiosity? and I hope you don't link me a wikipedia page. P2W has such a subjective definition to it, there's a reason these arguments on what falls under it even happen. It isn't as clear-cut and factual as anyone would like it to be.

You are paying IRL money for a game advantage in a sub based game, how is that not an issue?

[LaylaTsarra]

I have 40 retainers and I only pay for 5. Most would say I'm rich but sadly I only used 5 to get there. Guess I missed out big time using the other 35.

[XenoCranel]

I have 40 retainers and I only pay for 5. Most would say I'm rich but sadly I only used 5 to get there. Guess I missed out big time using the other 35.

Serious question. What is this in regards to?

[KageTokage]

I honestly don't think any of the paid features for the app are going to significantly impact the MB.

Undercutting is definitely going to be more problematic with people being able to do it away from home, though.

[Musashidon]

I honestly don't think any of the paid features for the app are going to significantly impact the MB.

Undercutting is definitely going to be more problematic with people being able to do it away from home, though.

not with only being able to do it once a day, two if you are premium. cause lets be honest SE is gonna be like 3$ for a mog coin guys! you know you wanna spend 3$ to change the price of 1 item 1 time!

[Dragon_punch]

Fun Fact extra storage space and retainers have been around forever, its called make an alternate character. Guess we should complain about those too.