Stop with the pay to win advanages for retainers, suggestions on fixes

[MomomiMomi]

Pay to Win requires a win state.

This is completely untrue. Pay to Win is not a literal term. If you wanted it to be literal, you would need to change the term to Pay for Advantage.

Even if you wanted to use the term in the case of winning, such as in PvP, Pay to Win does not require that you actually win. It simply requires that you have an advantage over the non-payer that they can't achieve without paying.

[Skivvy]

Fun Fact extra storage space and retainers have been around forever, its called make an alternate character. Guess we should complain about those too.

Hey, you're right! We should also complain about that. SE does allow you to befriend your alt accounts characters via normal methods. Yes, there are workarounds, but I doubt the majority of players know how to do it. Having 7 alts with free storage could definitely hurt their retainer sales.

[LaylaTsarra]

Hey, you're right! We should also complain about that. SE does allow you to befriend your alt accounts via normal methods. Yes, there are workarounds, but I doubt the majority of players know how to do it. Having 7 alts with free storage could definitely hurt their retainer sales.

Your alts just need to belong to the same FC. They don't need to be on your friends list in order to use their retainers. FC chest transfers are easy and one pays an additional monthly fee to have alts.

[Skivvy]

Your alts just need to belong to the same FC. They don't need to be on your friends list in order to use their retainers. It's pretty simple to do and one pays an additional monthly fee to have alts.

Sorry, I meant to say alt characters - not accounts. Having 8 characters in a world, if you could easily befriend them, would be a lot of free storage.

[Squintina]

Your alts just need to belong to the same FC. They don't need to be on your friends list in order to use their retainers. It's pretty simple to do and one pays an additional monthly fee to have alts.

Only if you're comparing short term.

There's no extra fee if you're thinking of playing this game for over 6 months. It's 13$ for the 1-toon-per-world sub, or 13$ for 6 months for alt subs. As a person who plays 1 toon (I do have others but that was because I wanted to start fresh when I came back), I still have the alt sub because it's the same price as someone who's not quitting anytime soon.

Unless you meant buying separate accounts, which I don't see how SE could prevent that because it could legitimately be another player (roommate, spouse, lover, sibling, parent, etc..) We're not going to ask the impossible of verifying that a human being can only be tied to 1 account.

[LaylaTsarra]

Sorry, I meant to say alt characters - not accounts. Having 8 characters in a world, if you could easily befriend them, would be a lot of free storage.

I was referring to alt characters... and the use of a FC chest to transfer items doesn't require they be on your friends list.

[Skivvy]

I was referring to alt characters... and the use of a FC chest to transfer items doesn't require they be on your friends list.

A FC chest is a tiny amount compared to the potential space you'd gain by befriending an alt and being able to send them all of your extra items.

Also, having free-access to the FC chest for their own personal storage is unlikely. Forming your own solo FC for the purpose of obtaining additional storage/item transfer options isn't going to be ideal for most people either.


Am I missing something on the billing? Does the normal sub only give you one free character per world? :X

[LaylaTsarra]

A FC chest is a tiny amount compared to the potential space you'd gain by befriending an alt and being able to send them all of your extra items.

Also, having free-access to the FC chest for their own personal storage is unlikely. Forming your own solo FC for the purpose of obtaining additional storage/item transfer options isn't going to be ideal for most people either.

Our FC allows the last two rows on the second page of it's storage for multi-toon transfers. It's faster to use the chest then to mail stuff. Perhaps you need a different free company because ours has allowed that since it's inception. Creating one's own FC I suppose is also an option given RMT has known how easy that is for them when it comes to transferring money/mats and so on.

[Dzian]

Where are you getting that definition from out of curiosity? and I hope you don't link me a wikipedia page. P2W has such a subjective definition to it, there's a reason these arguments on what falls under it even happen. It isn't as clear-cut and factual as anyone would like it to be.

This is kinda true and a big part of why many people and critics say microtransactions should never impact gameplay and only ever be cosmetic.

Virtually everything else offers an advantage in someway. Or possible advantage in the case of things like supply drops and loot crates quite a hot topic right now.. Even things like exp boosters in cod.. Or the shark cards in gta.. they all offer an advantage. And thus can all be considered paying to win.

The size of The advantage doesn't matter. If they added a mount on nog station that was 10% faster than every other mount that would be considered an advantage and thus pay to win. Even if it offered no benefit in dungeons or raids.

It's becoming widely accepted that any microtransactions that affect speed or flow of gameplay can generally be considered pay to win. Even those time savers you see in some games. Pay £2 And have every treasure marked on your map..... Which is why many critics and such say microtransactions should only ever be cosmetic. Because anything that isn't is bound to affect gameplay and offer an advantage of some form..

Being available in game without paying isn't important anymore either mostly because game devs would say here's the fastest car in the game. £20 Or 500,000 race wins a deliberately impossible goal..

it'd be like patch 4.4 adding the new omega tier and putting the 405 omega weapons on nog station. The fact those weapons could still be obtained as usual by clearing omega wouldn't stop it being pay 2 win..

So yeah anything a player can pay for that gives him any advantage at all is pay to win. And that is exactly why so many people say microtransactions should only ever be cosmetic

[KageTokage]

not with only being able to do it once a day, two if you are premium. cause lets be honest SE is gonna be like 3$ for a mog coin guys! you know you wanna spend 3$ to change the price of 1 item 1 time!

I was under the impression you only needed coins to buy/sell items, not simply adjust their prices.