Final Fantasy 14 App

[Vstarstruck]

I have everything at 70, all my gatherers, all my crafters, and all my battle classes. I also send my retainers out on ventures, hoard materia and dye, and some glamour pieces. I have a retainer full of crafting mats as well.

It boggles my mind that people think those who don't have inventory problems don't gather or craft or make use of ventures lol.

getting to 70 is no achievement, it is how you use them. Some people craft 70-100% of their game time making tons of different items, that is how, you know what boggles my mind? your unwillingness of understanding that people don't have the same goals as you, or play the same content as you. Some full time crafters can have over 8 retainers selling 20 different items, not clones mind you like some do, and the more diversity you do, the more the strain on the inventory space. The reason for the diversity is because how sales are overall slow in this game, because people do not need them as you find most things can be done without interacting with the MB. I heard stories of people getting 50+ without knowing about the mb or retainers.

How often do you craft, how often do you gather? what do you make to craft? maybe I can add some insight on why your mind is boggled.

[Vhailor]

getting to 70 is no achievement, it is how you use them. Some people craft 70-100% of their game time making tons of different items, that is how, you know what boggles my mind? your unwillingness of understanding that people don't have the same goals as you, or play the same content as you. Some full time crafters can have over 8 retainers selling 20 different items, not clones mind you like some do, and the more diversity you do, the more the strain on the inventory space. The reason for the diversity is because how sales are overall slow in this game, because people do not need them as you find most things can be done without interacting with the MB. I heard stories of people getting 50+ without knowing about the mb or retainers.

How often do you craft, how often do you gather? what do you make to craft? maybe I can add some insight on why your mind is boggled.

Anybody paying $10+/mo extra for Retainers has absolutely no room to complain about this app. It's literally the same monetization shit that the Retainers are, and the decision to rent (indefinitely) extra storage and MB space is about as close to P2W as we've gotten in FFXIV - including what this app offers.

Also, as an aside - if you've got inventory strain, you screwed up. Period. I understand making tons of different items and such - I largely leveled my crafters by uniquely completing every recipe, at least until 50 - but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to assess how much inventory will be required for X crafting list. Hell, most serious crafters use a site like Garland Tools if they're making a ton of different things, and it'll even tell you exactly how much space will be required - which is why sometimes I'd hold off on a particular craft or two, knowing my space would be taxed. If you overload yourself at that point, it's your own fault. I can't recall a single game in which you can craft indefinitely and have no inventory issues; eventually you'll always run into space restrictions. It's up to the player to assess this, and stop before they become overburdened whilst waiting for things to sell (overburdened here can also include organizational difficulties).

Christ, you're like someone who just crafted 20 different suits of armor in Skyrim and then turned around and threw a fit about the weight limit your character could carry, as if it was some entity dreamed up purely to stop you from playing exactly how you want, without a concern in the world for any potential consequences.

This is what bugs me.....

"Server limitations" But hey throw 5 bucks a month at us and we got this..... >.>

This bothers me too. The entire app bothers me - subscription-based games should never have functionality locked behind a pay wall - but yeah, it bugs me as well that this is a specific issue SE has used the 'server limitations' excuse with. What's next, adding another half-dozen Housing Wards, but you've got to pay a monthly fee extra in order to have access to them? The new literally gated communities in FFXIV?

[silverlunarfox]

This bothers me too. The entire app bothers me - subscription-based games should never have functionality locked behind a pay wall - but yeah, it bugs me as well that this is a specific issue SE has used the 'server limitations' excuse with. What's next, adding another half-dozen Housing Wards, but you've got to pay a monthly fee extra in order to have access to them? The new literally gated communities in FFXIV?

Omg....don't give them that idea..... T.T

[Hausti]

Anybody paying $10+/mo extra for Retainers has absolutely no room to complain about this app. It's literally the same monetization shit that the Retainers are, and the decision to rent (indefinitely) extra storage and MB space is about as close to P2W as we've gotten in FFXIV - including what this app offers.

^This. Its funny that people complain about it now despite the fact that we have those extra retainers for years now.
Im not saying that the app is good. But going by some peoples logic in here the P2W factor has been part of this game for a long time now.

[Solarra]

going by some peoples logic in here the P2W factor has been part of this game for a long time now.

Well, if not strictly P2W, certainly pay to get an advantage.

[Aerlana]

^This. Its funny that people complain about it now despite the fact that we have those extra retainers for years now.
Im not saying that the app is good. But going by some peoples logic in here the P2W factor has been part of this game for a long time now.

some people already were angry when cash shop did appear with the first two retainer...
Just, year after year, month after month, it get worse...

[Vstarstruck]

Anybody paying $10+/mo extra for Retainers has absolutely no room to complain about this app. It's literally the same monetization shit that the Retainers are, and the decision to rent (indefinitely) extra storage and MB space is about as close to P2W as we've gotten in FFXIV - including what this app offers.

^This. Its funny that people complain about it now despite the fact that we have those extra retainers for years now.
Im not saying that the app is good. But going by some peoples logic in here the P2W factor has been part of this game for a long time now.

some people already were angry when cash shop did appear with the first two retainer...
Just, year after year, month after month, it get worse...

Yup, the retainer rental thing when it was 2 or whatever it was like, well maybe this is a temporary solution to get extra money to fix things in the future, its only 3 euros a month... then they kept adding and adding... then one day I ask why do I have a second charge higher then my sub and after talking to SE rep, I realized those 8 retainers added up to be higher then monthly sub, needless to say I canceled them all that point.

Yeah I used to buy retainers till it spiraled out of control and even thought it was pay to win then, but back then I did not find making thread or posts on it was valid. Now with the app on top of things with more retainer? it crossed the line.

@Vhailor Also you use a website to help you manage inventory use for crafting and say it is on US??!?!?!!? that is the problem ... *dies laughing* YOU can't even handle it on your own, very hypocritical. Thank you for proving my point how ridiculous item bloat this game has. No I had no idea people used online sites to tell them about inventory space management.

[Vhailor]

@Vhailor Also you use a website to help you manage inventory use for crafting and say it is on US??!?!?!!? that is the problem ... *dies laughing* YOU can't even handle it on your own, very hypocritical. Thank you for proving my point how ridiculous item bloat this game has. No I had no idea people used online sites to tell them about inventory space management.

I don't use an online site to inform inventory management; I use it to organize ingredient lists. The precise inventory impact is a side benefit. And while I'd surely appreciate Garland Tools being included within the game itself, but I've yet to see any game include anything remotely comparable to Wiki-style website resources within its own interface. This particularly applies for FFXIV, since Garland Tools would be a nightmare to manage with a gamepad. So, I don't fault SE here.

What I use to manage my inventory is common sense: I don't bite off more than I can chew. I know I dedicate one tab on each Retainer to items I'm planning to put up for sale; I also have the MB slots themselves. That's 110 total slots, at most. So, when I'm identifying items to craft, I... gee... take 110, subtract the number of MB slots and 'awaiting sale' slots I have used up, and then I know how much I can craft. Simple. Then I go out, gather ingredients, craft them up, store them, and I'm clean again until the next project. I fail to see what's remotely difficult about this.

I mean, seriously, what is it you're wanting here with this ongoing tirade you have surrounding inventory space and management? Any measure you've suggested simply kicks the can down the road. There will always be an item restriction. And that means there will always be some level of responsibility on the party of players to organize their own inventory and stop themselves from overly-burdening themselves with items. I don't think one can make a serious argument that FFXIV is any worse than normal in this respect. Could it be better? Sure - every game could. But item management is hardly a serious pain point that is in dire need of addressing, especially taking into account the post-Stormblood improvements.