The Unofficial "Why is this still a thing" Thread

[HyoMinPark]

Do you realize how many jobs could be considered dependent on BRD's damage boost by that same logic ?

It doesn't matter how much disenbowel give to a single job. What matters is how much it gives to the raid. Do you have some calculation on how much Foe's Requiem and Battle Voice give to the raid, considering everyone benefit from it ?

I do, actually. In the same parse I am referencing, Foe’s gave the raid (8 people) 198.8 additional DPS. Battle Voice gave 118.4. Those values are the for entire raid. Disembowel’s value (260.4) was for 1 job. Looking at individual values (per party member) of how much Foe’s and BV gave them are even lower (the DRG got 41.3 from Foe’s, 32.4 from BV; the NIN 44.9 from Foe’s, 26.2 from BV; to use two examples).

Disembowel buffs 2 jobs (BRD/MCH) outside of the DRG that applies it. It doesn’t buff the entire raid in terms of individual damage. There’s a difference between a buff like Disembowel and a buff like Battle Voice or Foe’s or Trick Attack.

This seems intentionally disingenuous though. Dragoon would still retain those abilities, so while what you're saying is technically accurate, you would still lose 150-200 dps not having a dragoon even if they gave you a piercing debuff. I don't really have a stance on this, but it definitely seems like you're trying to deceive people by inflating the number you claim to lose by not having it.

I’m sorry, but excuse me? I’m trying to deceive people by inflating numbers?

I think most BRDs and MCHs alive would tell you that they lose quite a bit by not having a DRG. Keep in mind that I am not an orange-tier BRD. I’m actually pretty average; the 90th percentile Chadarnook I’m referencing throughout this debate is my best run of the tier, and I haven’t beat it. So better BRDs than me will lose much more than ~400 from Disembowel/Litany/Dragon Sight (if they receive it), and ~260 from Disembowel.

For comparison, I looked at a 99th percentile BRD parse on Demon Chadarnook where the BRD got 300 DPS from Disembowel. That’s more than my 260 because they’re a better BRD than I am. They also got more from Litany than I did, and about the same from Dragon Sight, though they received the latter only twice throughout the fight, where as I had it 5 times.

Taking another log from a BRD that is currently #3 in terms of ranking on God Kefka—for their Chadarnook (7012 personal DPS), they go 327.6 from Disembowel alone; Litany gave them 119.9, Dragon Sight 64.8. For their God Kefka (6679 personal DPS), they got 311.8 from Disembowel, 98.8 from Litany, 71.6 from Dragon Sight.

A better BRD than me is going to lose more than I did. I only used myself as an example to illustrate my point that BRD/MCH are more dependent on Disembowel than people seem to realize.

I think there's an app that calculates rdps, but can't remember the name of it

Yes, this is the site people use to calculate rDPS: http://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/