The Unofficial "Why is this still a thing" Thread

[KaivaC]

You know how I'd fix Protect? Move protect to WHM-only. Bring Stone Skin back, Scholar and AST don't get it at all. They have their own shields. Now make stone skin overwrite regen/medica II.

While I am under the opinion that all healers should have their own versions of the basic 'required skills' such as Protect and Esuna, this is a bad idea. It's already bad enough when I use AST and I cannot be sure if my co-AST or co-SCH will cooperate with me to not overwrite whatever buffs I have up. Adding Stoneskin II into that mix with WHM will just make this needlessly complicated. Also...while we have our own shields, yes, it's not a long-lasting defensive mitigation. Honestly, I'd prefer if all three jobs had their own protect version, and they each brought something different to the table instead. Not sure how you justify removing protect from AST/SCH because 'they have their own'. It's not the same thing.

[Nora_of_Mira]

Protect. It just takes up cross role space. I'm certain they could have done some math and edited damage taken so protect would no longer be necessary.

Yoshi P answered this once, too lazy to find it. He basically said protect is too iconic of a skill to remove, even though they did in fact consider removing it. I agree, I think it needs to be made more useful but I dont know how and I dont think Yoshi P knows how.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Yoshi P answered this once, too lazy to find it. He basically said protect is too iconic of a skill to remove, even though they did in fact consider removing it. I agree, I think it needs to be made more useful but I dont know how and I dont think Yoshi P knows how.

Actually, Yoshida wanted to remove it. Other members of the dev team convinced him it's too iconic. Which is dumb, considering it's a cast and forget ability.

[Deceptus]

Actually, Yoshida wanted to remove it. Other members of the dev team convinced him it's too iconic. Which is dumb, considering it's a cast and forget ability.

And then you see in PVP how it works like a short Def CD and you think, This would be a PERFECT cross role ability.

[Ameela]

And then you see in PVP how it works like a short Def CD and you think, This would be a PERFECT cross role ability.

Not really, it'd just be the healer version of Rampart where it's so good there's no reason not to take it, so why even make it an option in the first place.

Speaking of, my answer to the question is Rampart as a cross-role skill.

[Mahrze]

Actually, Yoshida wanted to remove it. Other members of the dev team convinced him it's too iconic. Which is dumb, considering it's a cast and forget ability.

Actually, Yoshida saved it. the dev team wanted to remove it http://twinfinite.net/2017/06/ffxiv-interview-e3-2017/

Twinfinite: For all of the actions that were removed, the development team clearly believed it was for the better that they were gone. However is there a job action that you will miss or something that you maybe tried to save from being removed but were overruled?

Yoshida: The opposite was true [he successfully saved one]. The Protect spell, there were talks within the dev team that “oh we don’t want this anymore” and he (Yoshida-san) felt that as Final Fantasy you have got to have that spell [Protect]. It would be weird if we didn’t have it.

But otherwise, each of the decisions we made were very deliberate. There weren’t [situations] where Mr. Yoshida’s ideas were opposed by the development team.

[ImDingDing]

Protect. It just takes up cross role space. I'm certain they could have done some math and edited damage taken so protect would no longer be necessary.

It punishes death in battle.

[Makeda]

Protect. It just takes up cross role space. I'm certain they could have done some math and edited damage taken so protect would no longer be necessary.

If I remember right, even SE agreed with you on that point going into Stormblood, but they feared the reaction of players who wanted that "special thing for healers to do"...
- as in... Protect felt so "iconic" for healer characters that they kept it, even though they felt it was better just being 'baked in' to the numbers...

A lot of healers now run a macro that swaps one role skill to protect, casts it, then swaps back... (this can be an issue in the DF when you get a tank that just starts running at duty start... they start demanding protect and when I'm on my healer I keep telling them to 'stop moving and let me cast... and you'll get it... but they can't stand waiting the extra single GC to do a skill swap...

[Shurrikhan]

Protect. It just takes up cross role space. I'm certain they could have done some math and edited damage taken so protect would no longer be necessary.

It punishes death in battle.

There's a point at which that punishment is sufficient.

Are you implying that the uptime loss of death itself, exhaustion of resources, hefty mana cost and uptime or ability cost of the resurrection itself, and the 90 seconds of 25% throughput loss after resurrection are insufficient to punish death, and that the one additional GCD spent for a faint mitigation increase makes it sufficient?

If so, I'd have to disagree.

If not, then I'm not sure what's even being put forward for discussion / what point is actually being made.

[Reinha]

Why can't we send mail to our alts? From a consumer POV this is a pretty basic thing we should be able to do.