We need better comunication with the Community team

[Remedi]

Yes we might not know but honestly I hope that we can have at least so much trust in them that they will not manipulate the answers in this. Otherwise can we trust them even in anything anymore? And wouldnt that be a horrible thing for a company?

Yes, would be bad, I should've been more clear about this beign a possible criticism by a part of the community if they don't get what they want, as in picturing a worst case scenario. I mean what stops us from saying that if we don't get what we asked (personal we) from the survey? We won't really have any proof of the results and as you said we'll have to trust them, but enough ppl seems to me that they have no faith in it them anyway, and consider I trust them still but I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here.

@Vhalinor with all due respect but we already had cases of ppl not accepting a negative response from SE with explanations in the past, that's why I'm beign a bit cautious in regards to surveys

[Vstarstruck]

The person in charge of all the community stuff is taking questions for the upcoming live letter if you'd like to ask anything.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4633241

[Alleo]

Yes, would be bad, I should've been more clear about this beign a possible criticism by a part of the community if they don't get what they want, as in picturing a worst case scenario. I mean what stops us from saying that if we don't get what we asked (personal we) from the survey? We won't really have any proof of the results and as you said we'll have to trust them, but enough ppl seems to me that they have no faith in it them anyway, and consider I trust them still but I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here.

We simply wont ever have the 100% safety that they are truthful and that the community will accept it but I dare to say that this would still be the minority of things and if they would be open about it then why should we not trust them? The fear of things happening in the worst possible way can be quite the hindrance.

In the end you can play devils advocate to every single arguement but at least for me such a improvement would have more positives than negatives.

And maybe people have not accepted negative comments from SE before because they feel like really cheap excuses.

[Remedi]

We simply wont ever have the 100% safety that they are truthful and that the community will accept it but I dare to say that this would still be the minority of things and if they would be open about it then why should we not trust them? The fear of things happening in the worst possible way can be quite the hindrance.

In the end you can play devils advocate to every single arguement but at least for me such a improvement would have more positives than negatives.

And maybe people have not accepted negative comments from SE before because they feel like really cheap excuses.

Wouldn't say it's fear, more about knowing that it can go that way, but you seem to know that it can so I suppose it's fine.
Eitherway it's fine by me

[Vstarstruck]

In the end if they don't please many, wouldn't it start being reflected in sales and subs?

[Vhailor]

@Vhalinor with all due respect but we already had cases of ppl not accepting a negative response from SE with explanations in the past, that's why I'm beign a bit cautious in regards to surveys

As opposed to the improved reaction when SE says nothing? Feedback and player involvement will never please everyone. It's almost guaranteed to please them more than utter silence, however.

In the end if they don't please many, wouldn't it start being reflected in sales and subs?

Not necessarily. People don't always make rational decisions, and MMOs benefit tremendously from momentum. WoW, for instance, is a piece of shit by modern standards, but millions and millions of people have memories, characters, and friends that keep them active. FFXIV has a similar sort of core, much of it inherited from FFXI and XIV 1.0 - particularly since it's the only major MMO available for consoles.

The major risk right now, as I see it, is new MMO releases - particularly the eventual successor to XIV. Any non-FF MMO that generates significant buzz, anything that draws away entire groups of friends, is going to be a huge threat to XIV if it also features a more responsive development team. And that's to say nothing of the eventual successor to XIV, which may well prove to be an epic flop. I would never, ever invest in a new SE MMO at this point - because they haven't shown any sort of desire to learn or evolve.

Community outreach can resolve these concerns. It can help inoculate FFXIV against the ever-present threat of new MMO releases, and it can help ensure that XIV's successor enjoys a strong, built-in core of early adopters just as FFXI guaranteed such a scenario for FFXIV.

[Remedi]

As opposed to the improved reaction when SE says nothing? Feedback and player involvement will never please everyone. It's almost guaranteed to please them more than utter silence, however. .

No, I'm talking about the community accepting an answer even if they answer is no

[Vhailor]

No, I'm talking about the community accepting an answer even if they answer is no

I confess that I'm not sure why you're focusing on this distinction. It seems like you think increased dialogue from SE could worsen things relative to the approach they've taken thus far. Would you mind explaining your reasoning in more detail?

[Remedi]

I confess that I'm not sure why you're focusing on this distinction. It seems like you think increased dialogue from SE could worsen things relative to the approach they've taken thus far. Would you mind explaining your reasoning in more detail?

I'm sry I'll explain better.
I'm not advocating for no responses from SE, I said to Alleo I would gladly have more infos even on the devs process like the one we had for the UI changes of some months ago.
What I was getting was that however we also need not to find new scapegoats like them manipulating the infos to their liking or us not liking what they answer us

[KisaiTenshi]

The major risk right now, as I see it, is new MMO releases - particularly the eventual successor to XIV. Any non-FF MMO that generates significant buzz, anything that draws away entire groups of friends, is going to be a huge threat to XIV if it also features a more responsive development team. And that's to say nothing of the eventual successor to XIV, which may well prove to be an epic flop. I would never, ever invest in a new SE MMO at this point - because they haven't shown any sort of desire to learn or evolve.

Community outreach can resolve these concerns. It can help inoculate FFXIV against the ever-present threat of new MMO releases, and it can help ensure that XIV's successor enjoys a strong, built-in core of early adopters just as FFXI guaranteed such a scenario for FFXIV.

As long as XIV is around, there will be players. Look at how long XI has lasted. That said, "subscription MMO's" appear to be dead, as all the MMO's and "mobile" games that keep coming out are basically pretty to look at, but they're just thinly veiled gambling, with no actual gameplay changes between patches. They just keep looking for ways to bilk the player out of more money with the cash shop. Like as much as I hate "dyes and clothing" in the shop, these don't break the game as long as you had a chance to get them via the game normally, and can specifically buy what you want and aren't subject gachapon RNG mechanics like other rubbish mmo's. But I would rather everything in the Mog shop to be available in the game by some normal means, even if it means waiting for that event to come around again the following year.

People quickly burn out of gachapon-fueled games once they realize they are spending far more than they would on a subscription game, and young adults/teens are especially vulnerable to these crappy low-quality P2W games. But in order to get people to pay for a subscription game, the game has to have a high quality appeal to it. So far there is nothing better than FFXIV out there. Only ESO and BDO have come out since that use a subscription model. Neither of them are popular.

According to gamerankings, The only thing more popular than FFXIV is Skyrim. LoL is #3, and WoW is #4. Minecraft is #10.