Bleeding Ifrit again...

[zaviermhigo]

ARC got gimped, and people shy away from arc now, but 1.20 will bring archer back, those class adjustments were awesome, it won't matter if the dmg isn't on top, there is no reason why an archer should flat out OUT dps any other dd in the game, but if they're shooting crap with arrows, they should be able to do nice spike dmg in all logic hitting weak spots. LNC needed the boost it got, but people going all arc or all lnc, its the same spammer crap to me and just sickening, its usually a ls that refused to take a break and everyone just leveled up every class instead of realizing it was ok to break from the game when it sucked.

[Molly_Millions]

I have a single two word phrase for why nobody wants an archer for an Ifrit battle; "animation lock". Simply put, you will only die as ARC.

Sorry, if ARC is your only 50, but that's the state of the game atm. You should probably find a PLer to get some of your other classes up or just start another one on your own and take the slow methodical route. It's become incredibly easy and fast to get a class to 50 since the last patch though, especially with a good PLer. This game is designed for people to play many classes, not just one. There are quite a number of situations that require it, so it's not really optional if you want to do your best in all situations. Whether or not that will change remains to be seen. If you plan on playing this game long term, it would be wise to cap all of your battle classes.

[Meow_Zedong]

I have a single two word phrase for why nobody wants an archer for an Ifrit battle; "animation lock". Simply put, you will only die as ARC.

Of course a quote like that comes from Abaddon. :P

Animation lock should not kill anyone that is doing their job right. Archers will stand in the safe zone, the only thing they have to worry about is Eruption, and if you are in the middle of a weaponskill during an Eruption, you aren't playing the battle right anyway.

Lol, I've seen plenty of Archers take down Ifrit, it's pretty simple.

[Xellos2099]

Simple... no... low damage and high liability to mages... YES.

[Molly_Millions]

Of course a quote like that comes from Abaddon. :P

What's that supposed to mean?


Allow me to back-peddle a bit. I didn't mean to say that you can't beat him as ARC at all, you certainly can beat Ifrit with other setups than the 5 to 6 LNC setup. There are a few problems with ARC, however. The first is that ARC attack animations are longer than those for other classes. (That is once you consider that ARC will be basically doing all weapon skills. Compare those animations to the auto-attack animation from LNC for example.) Arc also cannot take damage as well as other DD classes, those two things combined make ARC extremely difficult to play well in the Ifrit battle. Compound that with not having the other highly recommended skills like Rampart and Sentinal and, well, the ARC is gonna be screwed.

Allow me to rephrase that quote:

I have a single two word phrase for why nobody wants an archer for an Ifrit battle; "animation lock". Simply put, you will die with only ARC to 50.

[Meow_Zedong]

What's that supposed to mean?

Sorry, little Fabul server in-joke, I meant it in jest and have no real opinion towards Abaddon because I've never interacted with you guys (minus a few jerks I've since blisted)


Allow me to back-peddle a bit. I didn't mean to say that you can't beat him as ARC at all, you certainly can beat Ifrit with other setups than the 5 to 6 LNC setup. There are a few problems with ARC, however. The first is that ARC attack animations are longer than those for other classes. (That is once you consider that ARC will be basically doing all weapon skills. Compare those animations to the auto-attack animation from LNC for example.) Arc also cannot take damage as well as other DD classes, those two things combined make ARC extremely difficult to play well in the Ifrit battle. Compound that with not having the other highly recommended skills like Rampart and Sentinal and, well, the ARC is gonna be screwed.

I will definitely give you that it is more difficult to beat it as an Archer then as something else. It is definitely less efficient as well. But my point is, it is not nearly as hard as a lot of people say it is, and if you are with friends or a good LS they will not exclude you because of a loss of efficiency. Winning with archers is entirely do-able, and anyone that tells you otherwise hasn't really tried it.

If someone is continually dieing from Ifrit while playing Archer, it is not really the games fault more than it is the player's inability to adapt. That's all I mean.

[Molly_Millions]

If someone is continually dieing from Ifrit while playing Archer, it is not really the games fault more than it is the player's inability to adapt. That's all I mean.

Since you seem to be implying that beating Ifrit is possible with only ARC to 50, what ARC skill do you use to deal with Hellfire? (I think that's hellfire anyway, the AOE after you drop a spike.) Although it seems like I'm asking just to be a jackass, I'm asking in earnest because my roommate has only ARC to 50.

[TheVedis]

Since you seem to be implying that beating Ifrit is possible with only ARC to 50, what ARC skill do you use to deal with Hellfire? (I think that's hellfire anyway, the AOE after you drop a spike.)

+hp in your gear, and just being capped off when it happens

[Molly_Millions]

+hp in your gear, and just being capped off when it happens

How much hp would you recommend?

[Meleena]

To the OP:

Again... this game is not a game where one class will let you do everything, theres an ability hunt in FFXIV and that is how its supposed to be played.
You guys say that youre veterans but how come you havent realised this simple thing yet?
You need many abilities and many classes to do end game stuff.