Eureka Vote

[Mahrze]

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You clearly do not even try to understand.

Your points, put succinctly:

* Diadem 3.0 is bad. Why so long for this?
* Diadem 3.0 is our "new content" that was planned 17 months ago? Why we "lose" content for this?
* Diadem 3.0 is late and worthless for any kind of progress. Why is it so incomplete?

The counter-points offered a myriad of times.

* Data is confusing and mixed overall. Calling this a flop is an exaggeration at worst. But it does fall into the usual SE predictability
* We never lost content. They explained how it would go since the media tour which Reyn was kind enough to even link it to you and I'll quote:

As far timing of patches post Stormblood goes Yoshi-P said they plan to keep the 3 – 3½ month cadence they have currently been doing. He said it seems to be a good rhythm for the players which keeps them from either feeling like they run out of things to do too quickly or feel overwhelmed with content. It is also a good cycle for the developers because they can consistently put out high quality content without killing themselves. The current plan for what these patches will contain is odd numbered patches will have one dungeon and some other new content while even numbered patches will have two new dungeons and QOL improvements.

* Nobody is denying its rewards are dull, but with their new progress of odd patches being catch up stuff. This means the relic will likely get more stuff on 4.35. Which is content they already developed in those 17 months, I doubt they develop "on the fly".

If you can't say you enjoyed something, or love something, THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG with what they think of said focus. This means there is improvements to be made, basically 70% find the need to want improvements to this place, its not different then saying they dislike it in some way. All I am doing is stating facts, you are word twisting.

You can like things and also want them to be better. Again, thinks are not strictly love/hate. 30% liking/loving it wouldn't tell you its fine as is, a very minimal number would likely say so but that doesn't mean liking/loving as is doesn't deny improvement. Something can have varying degrees of positive approval just like you imply varying degrees of disapproval.

I can safely argue that more than 70% would likely find room for improvement, including people on the like/love camp, simply because even those who like it, in the feedback posts, want a bit more from it that we got.

Also, the "things we learned" meme is used to much and almost for everything at this point to really hold weight as a "counter-point" for all the predictable content they make. But I digress at this point.

Edit:

Just the way of the modern day world, sadly.

Anyway, I voted "Meh." I hated Eureka at first but it has grown on me throughout the week. DEFINITELY room for improvement though. I don't think anyone is bold enough to claim that it's absolutely perfect the way it is, nor should anyone claim it's the absolute worst thing to ever exist.

With the delays? how much we lost content wise in SB while SE admitting it? that it is why the bold should be considered. If standalone and released sooner yeah I def agree with you, but under this situation, I can't help and wonder if that bold is really true or not.

Since you like this quote, it's quite ironic to see it pop again since you repeat your same points over and over.

This is not about morals, this is about a delay to release content being not worth it's salt, you are not shocked to see such polarization? Well... I guess you are right, I never expected to see people defending something like what we got though diadem 3.0.

Again why do we have these issues on our forum? From what I understand from translations, all the Japanese do is post what the think and move on (with dislike posts, and post pointing out problems in it having a ton of likes) But then again I do not see white knighting there =/

Barring the ludicrous comment about morals. Dramatic forums are dramatic. go fig.

[Arcari]

With the delays? how much we lost content wise in SB while SE admitting it? that it is why the bold should be considered. If standalone and released sooner yeah I def agree with you, but under this situation, I can't help and wonder if that bold is really true or not.

Oh don't get me wrong, I've definitely expressed my salt with the delays just to only be greeted with a mob grind and a FATE train. Not here, but on a Discord channel with my friends (although I scrub that convo and post it in the Eureka Suggestions thread floating around just for fun).

As for lost content...honestly, I've never been bothered by the loss of a dungeon or what have you. They're all just running down a pathway anyway, just with different settings, so -shrug-. My opinion, though.

Altogether, even when I was absolutely furious with Eureka last week, I couldn't bring myself to call it the absolute worst. Diadem still holds that honor in my book.

[Divinemights]

I personally hate the dungeon system and would not care if not getting any next patch. Dungeon system is a poison to mmorpg genre. The game feels more alive right now.

[Soupa]

Muh opinions=/

My dude you’ve been all over the forums doing nothing but proclaiming eureka is bad/failed/unacceptable content for the past week. It’s fine to have that opinion but are you even playing this game anymore or just coming to the forum to ensure you’re correct and paying the sub to gain access? If the latter is the case it might be time for you to unsub and move on. You keep using the term white knight without realizing you are the whitest of the knights.

[Alleo]

I just knew that you didn't do a research before you respond, the JP Like is around 57% and dislike is low 17%, here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._about_eureka/

To simple put, people that dislike Eureka do not represent the FF14 community and Eurkea is far from being a failure content.

Again suddenly this poll with still quite a minority of the playerbase shows us the opinion of the playerbase but the forum does not? What if it had been negative too (and 30% Hate parts are not good), would it suddenly not be a good way to show the opinions?

The poll is not good, thats a fact. It does not have enough questions to show the opinion of the people in this. In this very thread someone posted that they dont really like Eureka but they also dont hate it thus they used the Meh option. This alone shows that we dont really know who used the option for whatever reasons..but maybe its better to ignore it so that one can say they are right? (As if this is some kind of competition and our opinions would suddenly change)

The JP forum were quite negative about this, and the poll was not posted there but on a blog. Lets talk about facts when we have an official answer from SE.

Edit: Also the third option in the JP was Neither, thus it was not fun but also not boring. (So neutral) Lets just look at fun and boring. If you only take these numbers (add them together) you have around 60% of people that had fun and 40% of people that found it boring. That is nearly half of it. Not really good since this is THE content for SB. It should have been 80-90% fun and the rest hating it. Not such a nearly split opinion.

Edit 2: Isnt it also kinda telling how a JP blog where probably only people go to that are truly behind the game (so not the normal casual player) still has only like 57% that find it fun? And that the rest find it boring or dont have an opinion? Isnt that kinda sad for a content that was seen as a major part of SB?

I talked with someone ingame about our poll and he has not vote in this. I told him the options and he was like: But thats poll manipulation..the question are already in favor of a positive opinion. So yeah thats exactly my problem with that.

Nope and nope. If people disliked Eureka, they would just press the "I hate it".
"Meh" means they just accept it. It's not their fav content, but they play it.

You can twist it as many times as you want, but you can't change the fact.


Insults? Oh, how fast you felt offended when you can't provide facts. There's not a single insult on my posts, and I bet you can't even point a single one, unless you keep using the same strategy twisting over and over again the facts and our words.

The fact is; we will have more Eureka in the future, they'll improve it, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

Have fun, gotta do more Eurekas today

Also if someone dislike something or are neutral against it (which is also not liking it) they will not vote for hate or love and the only other option is Meh its okay. I also would be happy if they at least try to improve it. (But it begs the question why it would need one if its that great.)

Haters are living in the past, at level 1, ignoring all we learned from Eureka. That's why new hating threads with wrong info keep popping every now and then.

Totaly not meant as any kind of insult? That we (as haters, since you did not even say some) live in the past and are still all lvl 1 who never gave it a chance.

I am also not twisting any kind of words. Heck I am not even counting those Meh into the hating part too. I am saying that we cant count into any of them because its such an open and bad question and we already have the evidence by posters in this thread that they picked that option even though they are nearly dislike it.

Voted, Meh it's Ok but almost to the point of i don't like it tbh

(I am also fine if you have fun in Eureka, I never once even posted that people are not allowed to have that or that its bad to like it. I went out of my way to provide constructive points on how to make it better because I want new content to succeed but I will also not stop talking about something that I dislike/hate it. I do not personal attack people or calling other peoples opinion a meme, I am not saying that people that like it are living in the past and I dont twist words either.)

[Vstarstruck]

You clearly do not even try to understand.


You clearly do not even try to understand can go to the same for you. Since you can't stop putting words in my mouth for your personal agenda I am just replying to this little thing you so happened to give me:

As far timing of patches post Stormblood goes Yoshi-P said they plan to keep the 3 – 3½ month cadence they have currently been doing. He said it seems to be a good rhythm for the players which keeps them from either feeling like they run out of things to do too quickly or feel overwhelmed with content. It is also a good cycle for the developers because they can consistently put out high quality content without killing themselves. The current plan for what these patches will contain is odd numbered patches will have one dungeon and some other new content while even numbered patches will have two new dungeons and QOL improvements.

GJ at shooting yourself in the foot, you defeated your own argument. We have not got any kind of quality of any shape or form in SB because it was all sacrificed for diadem 3.0. BTW that pic you gave in your post, applies to SE's attempt to push another diadem.

I just knew that you didn't do a research before you respond, the JP Like is around 57% and dislike is low 17%, here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._about_eureka/

To simple put, people that dislike Eureka do not represent the FF14 community and Eurkea is far from being a failure content.
Both EN and JP poll does not support your claim.

I played about 3 hours a day in Eureka since launch on top I am also playing Feast, this is the result:

Elemental Level 16
SAM weapon +2
All SAM armor +2

It is not that grinding as you claim to be and i had much more fun in there. Games also felt a lot more alive than the stupid dungeon system.

did you even read the quote you are quoting?

50 or even 57%:

The poll says you are wrong though, even if you go by jp likes, 50% = you are on probation getting close to being expelled. (it is called being put on academic probation) It is clear this content is poor. Having such a low approval rating after that much delay is not an achievement.

57%, is a very poor approval rating, and yet you ignore the poll was not posted on the OF.

My dude you’ve been all over the forums doing nothing but proclaiming eureka is bad/failed/unacceptable content for the past week. It’s fine to have that opinion but are you even playing this game anymore or just coming to the forum to ensure you’re correct and paying the sub to gain access? If the latter is the case it might be time for you to unsub and move on. You keep using the term white knight without realizing you are the whitest of the knights.

Because I do not like the attacks white knights try to pull on people with issues with it (along with insulting, putting words in people's mouths and countless argumentative fallacies) Again how come the Japanese forum don't have this issue?

Also why am I posting alot? because I want to be heard, I am clearly being ignored, and trying to be silenced by SE white knights.

[Soupa]

Because I do not like the attacks white knights try to pull on people with issues with it. Again how come the Japanese forum don't have this issue?

Its almost as if we come from different cultures.

[Vstarstruck]

Its almost as if we come from different cultures.

So that is the excuse to act in an uncivil manner?

Oh don't get me wrong, I've definitely expressed my salt with the delays just to only be greeted with a mob grind and a FATE train. Not here, but on a Discord channel with my friends (although I scrub that convo and post it in the Eureka Suggestions thread floating around just for fun).

As for lost content...honestly, I've never been bothered by the loss of a dungeon or what have you. They're all just running down a pathway anyway, just with different settings, so -shrug-. My opinion, though.

Altogether, even when I was absolutely furious with Eureka last week, I couldn't bring myself to call it the absolute worst. Diadem still holds that honor in my book.

I think diadem 2.0 had better then this, but it could had more accessibility to the big boss in it, the pop timer ... off putting to say the least.

[Shouko]

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We get you hate it, time to stop beating a dead horse, you're not going to convince those who've made up their minds about it one way or the other.

[Vstarstruck]

We get you hate it, time to stop beating a dead horse, you're not going to convince those who've made up their minds about it one way or the other.

That is actually not the reason why I post a lot. I do not care for changing people's minds. What I do not want to see, and the reason I keep posting is because I dislike the word twisting and insults to try drown out an opinion. Look at the first page, the first replies, all the fact twisting with numbers trying to make it look like most are ok with diadem 3.0 when in turn most find the result of the content a borderline failure. (only thing I seen more blacklash then this is housing)

Voted, Meh it's Ok but almost to the point of i don't like it tbh