What's your first impression of Eureka?

[TheAngelneer]

Even shorter tl;dr: Stop doing that:


Continue if you want, I already made my point and won't go any further into this rabbit hole.

I'll just leave this here.

[Fyce]

I'll just leave this here.

It has no connection to the real world. It's an analogy. It doesn't need any rational explanation beyond the point it's making.

It's a picture trying to show that people will disagree because of a difference in their point of view. The two characters are arguing about what they legitimately perceive from their position, leading to a pointless argument. Nobody "painted" the 9/6. There's no "driveway" or "building". These characters do not exist and do not serve any other purpose than this analogy. There is no other context to that picture. Trying to explain it outside of the meaning it was designed for is stupid, as it wasn't meant for that purpose at all.

Besides, note that I choose a picture without the text. I really wanted to express the main point shown in the picture. This was deliberate.

I can't believe I have to explain this concept to someone.

Edit: And you are upvoted for this post too. Do you guys really don't understand what is an analogy? Or has this thread just derailed to the point of just being a choir preaching itself, even if it defies common sense, just because it's fun to make me "the antagonist that people should disagree with"? You guys have no interest in having a constructive discussion. Such childish behavior is scary.

I have no clue why such a toxic thread is still open. That's the second proof in a single page that this thread is just a hater nest.

[Ruf]

Thread went from describing that eureka is nothing to you draw an image! Hard to miss the point on the picture now, there is greater than>& lesser than & that's self explanatory on my standing point of view about eureka theres plenty of feedbacks about it already & I think the balance seems pretty clear to me

[Tridus]

I have no clue why such a toxic thread is still open. That's the second proof in a single page that this thread is just a hater nest.

It's a feedback thread. People are giving feedback. If you want the "only people who like Eureka" echo chamber thread, it's over here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Eureka-thread

That most of the feedback is super negative suggests a problem with the content, rather than "OMG toxic people being mean!"

[Fyce]

It's a feedback thread. People are giving feedback. If you want the "only people who like Eureka" echo chamber thread, it's over here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Eureka-thread

That most of the feedback is super negative suggests a problem with the content, rather than "OMG toxic people being mean!"

Disrespecting people isn't feedback. You can give your opinion on something without insulting others who don't think the same way as you do.
The last page has been mostly nothing but complete lack of respect towards people who actually like Eureka.
I'm not saying giving negative feedback is toxic. Being a d*ck to others is.

[Ruf]

Disrespecting people isn't feedback. You can give your opinion on something without insulting others who don't think the same way as you do.
The last page has been mostly nothing but complete lack of respect towards people who actually like Eureka.
I'm not saying giving negative feedback is toxic. Being a d*ck to others is.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Eureka-thread

[Fyce]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Eureka-thread

Oh sorry, am I posting in "Show your hate against Eureka and disrespect anyone who is not doing the same"?
I didn't realize, my bad.

[Ruf]

Oh sorry, am I posting in "Show your hate against Eureka and disrespect anyone who is not doing the same"?
I didn't realize, my bad.

I forgive you.

[Valdegarde]

Oh sorry, am I posting in "Show your hate against Eureka and disrespect anyone who is not doing the same"?
I didn't realize, my bad.

I skimmed the past few pages and there's plenty of people voicing exactly why and how Eureka is not doing it for them, and others who are pointing out good aspects despite this and vice versa. These are like at least half the posts.

[Alleo]

Oh sorry, am I posting in "Show your hate against Eureka and disrespect anyone who is not doing the same"?
I didn't realize, my bad.

People have posted that they liked it in this thread just fine, without people going for their opinion. I honestly dont care if you like it or not. But I have the right to voice my opinion about this too yet how often were we told that we should try it more and more which kinda hints that some posters cant understand that you simply find this content boring. Some people on the side of those that likes it have gone out of their way to personal insult us and you yourself are arguing about semantics a lot. So yes both sides can be bad.

Some posts:

You assumed that what people complained about are "core issues" which need to be solved. This has yet to be determined, both in terms of accuracy and scale. You also assumed that the complains were coming from "the vast majority". You said that there was a "severe lack of communication" even when SE said and proved that they were listening to feedback.
The community has a pretty big history of screwing things up because a vocal minority blowed things out of proportions. For one person complaining about Eureka, there are dozens who actually play it and are fine with it. What you are basically asking is that SE completly ignore these players and focus blindly on the ones who agree with your views.

Give them some time to analyze everything and get back to us is my point. If you want them to rush it, it'll be crap.
But I guess asking people to be reasonable is too much.

You call us a vocal minority that blows things out off proportions and take our opinions down because for you most ingame enjoy it and we are just the part that screws it up. And you end the sentence that its too much to ask for people to be reasonable.

Here's the full quote, since you seem too lazy to check the converstion yourself:[...]

Please read this thread instead of just commenting on the tip of the iceberg without having the full context.


You are right, I don't know these either. Which is exactly why I didn't make any argument using based on that. And that was my main point: I don't make baseless assumption to criticize something. I do with the information I know I have, and I don't extrapolate simply because hating every aspect of Eureka is the new trend.

You said to someone that they are lazy because they read your post differently. Also you go and say that you dont make baseless assumption and call hating every aspect of Eureka a trend. This is attacking our opinions and you are stating that if someone just simply hates it they are following a trend and not because its their own opinion that they got on facts.

Confrontation and peer validation is what they seek. Your beliefs and opinions are of no importance to them. They will not recognize that you may like of believe in something they don't.

[...]
The only way to win with these people is simply by not trying to argue with them. I learned it the hard way.

People who cannot agree to disagree shouldn't be given attention.

Again you go around with the "they". Not some or anything. Also you are also not just simply agreeing to disagree.

Normaly I dont do this but you had more than a few passive aggressive posts. None of these posts needed those attacks. You could have simply showed the person your sentence again instead of calling them lazy. You go around and argue semantics. Why not agree to disagree?