Hey look! Another Dark Knight fan re-work thread!

[DRKoftheAzure]

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Of course a PLD would say that all of that... the only thing that is agreed upon is Sole Survivor and TBN change... and you forgot to mention Dark Arts... also main problem with balancing edge-lord classes/jobs is that they are either too powerful and too much fun to play as or they are too weak and boring to play... which is objectively better...? Also would you PLDs like Sword Oath to have a second attack applied to all weaponskills and abilities, Divine Veil applied immediately to all party members and Clemency apply a heal shield, and Hallowed Ground have a 60 second cooldown?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Of course a PLD would say that all of that... the only thing that is agreed upon is Sole Survivor and TBN change... and you forgot to mention Dark Arts... also main problem with balancing edge-lord classes/jobs is that they are either too powerful and too much fun to play as or they are too weak and boring to play... which is objectively better...?

Amazing attempt of an argumentum ad hominem to degrade my opinion simply based on what my forum "main" is supposed to be, disregarding I love playing all three tanks equally and being one of the advocates of not making Paladin overpowered how it was at the start of Stormblood, thank you very much. Shows really how biased you are towards DRK and against other tank players.

The Dark Arts bit I completely overlooked, yet I must confess I find it needlessly complicated to make Dark Arts a trait.

There is no need to make it either or, DRK currently needs upward fine-tuning, not drastic changes.

Also would you PLDs like Sword Oath to have a second attack applied to all weaponskills and abilities, Divine Veil applied immediately to all party members and Clemency apply a heal shield, and Hallowed Ground have a 60 second cooldown?

Seriously, I am trying to give my opinion on your changes and you come and say stuff like the most overpowered things we want or something. We never wanted that and regarding buffs to Sword Oath and Hallowed Ground, it was YOU who had the genuine idea of posting a shit-post level DRK buff wishlist which contained compromises with other tanks such as Holmgang to 45s and Hallowed Ground to 90s to balance out their "uselessness".

Just because I am a "Paladin main" (I had to pick one ffs) does not suddenly invalidate my opinion as anti-biased. If you want a discussion about DRK changes, drop your senseless ad hominems.

We Paladins and Warriors give our opinions to actually HELP you Dark Knights and not keep you at rock bottom!

[DRKoftheAzure]

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Except the people who are supposed to be running this forum see this as shit post anyway like with all of the fan re-work threads, which in reality doesn't even matter anyway because they will never even make these changes...