Why going back 10 years doing Korean Farming Content?

[Binahel]

on top of that the mechanics are completely different, the goals completely different, the equip conception different too so comparing the two experiences is difficult.

what is though OBVIOUS to anyone who played FFXI is that they just took the most boring and silly party of FFXI - the mindless grind - putting it in a system that not only is mechanics/skill/intensive but also super fast paced, creating the facto not a feeling of nostalgia but distress without even the possibility of communications you had in FFXI. on top of that the equip and goal conception is miles away from the old days - so in my opinion they created a zombie that dramatically showed the limit both of their creative think-tank and in retrospective the limits of the FFXIV system too.

I never analyzed certain mechanics prior to Eureka, their "copy" of old content made me realize by comparison this aspect of intensive repetitiveness that I never realized before because the time involved was much more delayed.

[Synrin]

Reason: so you could do this while waiting for fate NM

[Vyriah]

Reason: so you could do this while waiting for fate NM

This actually.

Actually playing with other people and just not getting grouped at random or doing sily things with mount at the end game zone is refreshing. Eureka is bland and need improvement, but NM train does feel like playing a MMORPG, and not just an online boss beating game.
And I do like online boss beating, that's the reason why I'm here, but side content offering a change of pace isn't a bad thing at all.

[Sin_Faye]

Old MMOs used grind content to keep people playing longer as well as being easier to developed. Old MMO dev teams weren't very big at the start and couldn't churn out content like now. Tech had very little to do with it. Money, resource management, and deadlines dictate game design.

New MMOs still use grind content... FFXIV is grindy as hell and I'd say tech is pretty good these days... so yea I say you're wrong.

They can add any gameplay they want and make it as great as they want but at some point they have to get the product out.

I agree that old MMOs used grind content to keep people playing longer and it was easier to develop. I don't agree that the technology hasn't change for game design from 2002. Tech has a lot to do with it. Improved game engines allow for improved games. Games today aren't better just due to companies being able to throw more money into things.

[Sin_Faye]

It is true that more money makes a better game however, but given the large scale in time from 2002 and 2018, software has very much to do with the improvement of games rather than pure money. If the 2002 Dev team of FFXI was here today making the game again, do you really thing with what their budget was, they would put out a game similar to what they made before? They made a game for the technology at the time, and it was a good game for the time it was made.

FFXIV is more grindy than other MMOs I will agree with that, but nothing compared to Eureka. If you really generalize the term grinding, then you could apply it to everything. For instance doing dailies is grindy or getting tombes are grindy, but you have other options and means of obtaining such tokens/items.

[Sin_Faye]

Eureka is just kill mob. Kill mob. Kill mob. That's as clean cut as a grind could ever be. You can agrue that the game itself is grindy, but some grind can be ok, but this is pure grind to its core and it's upsetting a few players cause of that. In addition the combat style of FFXIV isn't suited for a grinding game like this. Usually people generalize and joke about hitting maybe 1 to 3 buttons, but that's what is happening for this and every encounter. The only thing that changes is changing your elemental wheel, which isn't a high level of dynamic gameplay in my opinion.

Getting the product out isn't a fair argument in this situation given how early this was announced and they said we would receive less content due to resources being put into this game.

I want quality content for FFXIV and it's just my opinion that Eureka isn't suitable for the number 2 most subscribed MMO in the world.

[xbahax92]

Reason: so you could do this while waiting for fate NM

I didnt know that im not able to this in limsa/kugane or at my fc's house. Tbh. I better go in eureka NOW so I can join that cheeron party!!

[Synrin]

I didnt know that im not able to this in limsa/kugane or at my fc's house. Tbh. I better go in eureka NOW so I can join that cheeron party!!

My post was sarcastic. Thanks.

[SicariusSeven]

No one asked for the grind but SE knows we are going to do it because they put stuff we want behind the lame grinds.

[Vyriah]

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Technology did changed something, but you're taking it backward.

Take a look at how Ragnarok Online looks. The sprite work is great, but the game looks really rough. Yet, that approach is exactly what allowed the game be that huge and that rich, that game trully was a cute looking endless abyss of cryptic game systems. You can't understand how huge this game is unless you've starred at the abyss only for it to tell you that your month of farming is good for deletion because you builded it like an idiot.
Now there's no point is asking what if that game was made using more modern technologies because Ragnarok Online 2 exist. And it's a bland, cheap MMORPG with hub quest and instancied dungeons.

Improved engine isn't necessarly improved game, it can also mean more ressources to make the same thing. Why didn't FF X have a world map ? Because making one with the same quality the rest of the game had would have been way too hard. The same happened with 2D fighters since as resolution grew higher and higher, it was harder and harder to make sprite and re-using them would give horrible results. Wich is why a lot of fighting serie either went 3D or spawned a new franchise (that's what BlazBlue was for Guilty Gear and UNIEL for Melty Blood, for exemple), because doing the exact same game at higher result asked less work than doing a new game from 0 with new (fewer) characters.

Better technology also lead to harder to make games, and harder to make game leads to picking the most simple formula : the WoW theme park. That's what made WoW successfull : easy to do, easy to get in, long the get out.
The really good open world grinding MMORPG were exhausting to make, weren't easy to get in, and had no way out. But they are onew were you trully were playing with millions of playr at the same time, and not just playing the same game on different instances. And there's a lot of trouble with that idea that technology don't solve at all.