What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Kaonis]

"People won't do bad content no matter the reward!"
"People do bad content just for the reward!"

What I find interesting in our argument, is that I don't even have to take part in it.

Well on this I can actually agree with you. Because it's impossible to have an argument when one side can't muster a real argument but rather resorts to dishonesty. You've been quote mining, cherry picking, straw manning, and broadly generalizing others arguments all throughout this thread. If you won't be honest then I'm done trying to respond to you.

[Fyce]

Well on this I can actually agree with you. Because it's impossible to have an argument when one side can't muster a real argument but rather resorts to dishonesty. You've been quote mining, cherry picking, straw manning, and broadly generalizing others arguments all throughout this thread. If you won't be honest then I'm done trying to respond to you.

I gave the arguments on my opinion regarding Eureka in my very first post. You answered me with a lot of what appeared to be contradictory statements. I pointed out the flaws in what you said. However, You didn't bother defending your opinions and clearing them up for the sake of disambiguation, and to actually making your points hold ground. I did. I did defend my views using multiple examples as well as making comparisons with older content that people have done. And I didn't assume random stuff I had no information on (such as how much people think that Eureka is okay, and how much find it "99% garbage"). I don't need other people to defend my views either.

I may be in the minority of people in this thread who are actually capable of seeing both the good and bad aspects of Eureka, instead of spitting on everything, but as far as argumentation goes, I've yet to see people coming to invalid my statements with something that I would have nothing to answer to. Except for Krotoan, who agreed with me on the fact that there are many subjective aspects to this debate, and that s/he actually liked running old content, which is something I don't share.

So yeah, glad we've put an end on this endless nonsense.
Keep the hate and negativity, you're doing great.

Would you rather a world where we can't say anything negative about it if a company doesn't explain why content gets constantly delayed and then comes out poorly?

I just want people to stop making baseless assumptions.

As for the rest of your post, I already said that I didn't care about the time it took them to release it. I know what kind of stuff might happen during development. And since I don't know what content might have been cut because of Eureka, if any (which has yet to be proven), I won't comment on it. Simply because I can't. But it seems that people will still make strong opinions about things they don't know jack about. I don't think that's right.
Lastly, we grind stuff on ARR since 2.0. Saying that this game isn't meant for grinding when it's rooted in its core content is nonsense. Especially since the game is doing extremely well while keeping this formula.

[Vstarstruck]

I gave the arguments on my opinion regarding Eureka in my very first post. You answered me with a lot of what appeared to be contradictory statements. I pointed out the flaws in what you said. However, You didn't bother defending your opinions and clearing them up for the sake ofdisambiguation, and to actually making your points hold ground. I did. I did defend my views using multiple examples as well as making comparisons with older content that people have done. And I didn't assume random stuff I had no information on (such as how much people think that Eureka is okay, and how much find it "99% garbage"). I don't need other people to defend my views either.

I may be in the minority of people in this thread who are actually capable of seeing both the good and bad aspects of Eureka, instead of spitting on everything, but as far as argumentation goes, I've yet to see people coming to invalid my statements with something that I would have nothing to answer to. Except for Krotoan, who agreed with me on the fact that there are many subjective aspects to this debate, and that s/he actually liked running old content, which is something I don't share.

So yeah, glad we've put an end on this endless nonsense.
Keep the hate and negativity, you're doing great.

I just want people to stop making baseless assumptions.

As for the rest of your post, I already said that I didn't care about the time it took for them to release it. I know what kind of stuff might happen during development. Besides, I know not to get my hopes too high.
Lastly, we grind stuff on ARR since 2.0. Saying that this game isn't meant for grinding when it's rooted in its core content is nonsense. Especially since the game is doing extremely well.

The only person giving contradictory statements, putting words in people's mouths (or least to me) quote mining, cherry picking, straw manning, over-generalizing arguments is you, you are the issue here. We do not care if you like white knighting SE, you do not treat us like you have been doing

You continuously ignore the fact we lost a lot of other content for Eurkia's development with SE having nothing to show for it, and you have nothing to show argumentative wise on why in your view that is unjustified reason to hate it. People did not overhype it, SE DID

You don't care how long it took them for it to release it because it is an argument that defeats yours

[Ruf]

Are we getting housing in eureka? because then that would be fine by me with the time it took! I'm totally in favor of a ffxiv eureka a housing reborn! wild cabins to hide from fates trains would be awesome

[Fyce]

The only person giving contradictory statements, putting words in people's mouths (or least to me) quote mining, cherry picking, straw manning, over-generalizing arguments is you, you are the issue here. We do not care if you like white knighting SE, you do not treat us like you have been doing

When people throw strawman at me or ad hominem like you did, after I simply expressed my level-headed opinions about Eureka, do you really expect me not to try and fight back? You've been irrespectful of my time multiple times and have accused me of insulting you, which was completly false. You also called me a "blind fanboy" and now a "white knight", simply because I don't find Eureka to be as awful as you think it is. Even when I pointed out flaws and suggestions to improve it.

When it comes to arguing with you, you were the one who started attacking me and my views without proper argumentation. Don't start a fight using shady techniques if you don't want your opponent doing the same. That's the second time I'm telling you that.

You continuously ignore the fact we lost a lot of other content for Eurkia's development with SE having nothing to show for it, and you have nothing to show argumentative wise on why in your view that is unjustified reason to hate it. People did not overhype it, SE DID

You have yet to show any kind of proof to demonstrate what content was cut because of Eureka. So far, we've lost a dungeon per cycle. And SE justified it by implementing Ultimate Coil. So please, will you finally show me a proof of what you say? Please show me exactly what content got cut.

And no. Even if some content got canceled because of Eureka, it's not a valid reason to "hate it". Do people hate ultimate coil because we have one less dungeon? No. Because that's silly.

[Vstarstruck]

When people throw strawman at me or ad hominem like you did, after I simply expressed my level-headed opinions about Eureka, do you really expect me not to try and fight back? You've been irrespectful of my time multiple times and have accused me of insulting you, which was completly false. You also called me a "blind fanboy" and now a "white knight", simply because I don't find Eureka to be as awful as you think it is. Even when I pointed out flaws and suggestions to improve it.

When it comes to arguing with you, you were the one who started attacking me and my views without proper argumentation. Don't start a fight using shady techniques if you don't want your opponent doing the same. That's se second time I'm telling you that.

You have yet to show any kind of proof to demonstrate what content was cut because of Eureka. So far, we've lost a dungeon per cycle. And SE justified it by implementing Ultimate Coil. So please, will you finally show me a proof of what you say? Please show me exactly what content got cut.

And no. Even if some content got canceled because of Eureka, it's not a valid reason to "hate it". Do people hate ultimate coil because we have one less dungeon? No. Because that's silly.

I will simply ignore the bold that shows you got no idea what you are talking about. For the rest of the post it clearly shows you are not understanding what I even said, starting with my first post to you. I do HATE the fact we have a NO CONTENT area that was the SOLE CAUSE of SB missing content 4.0 +. This diadem 3.0 does not reflect the effort they claimed to to show. I really hate the fact we got less out of SB because of this no content area. I would rather not have it exist at all so we could had our stormblood palace of the dead, tribes would most likely been released sooner, maybe the glam dresser wouldn't of been so trash. Eurkeka took a lot of other resources that could of been used to really improve the game, so yes that is a part of the reason i hate it, because its basically no content. It does not show the claimed effort SE claimed to have put into it. There is nothing for us to do in Eurkeka except mindlessly grind, and they could had same effect by giving us a reboot on 2.0 relic book objectives, while that would been more interesting since it would not be done in one spot, doing the same thing over and over again, while taking a lot less development time to do so, since programing resources and time would not be put in that useless leveling system

How do we know Eurkeka drained SB development? Because the flat out told us that fact.

[Fyce]

I will simply ignore the bold that shows you got no idea what you are talking about. For the rest of the post it clearly shows you are not understanding what I even said, starting with my first post to you. I do HATE the fact we have a NO CONTENT area that was the SOLE CAUSE of SB missing content 4.0 +. This diadem 3.0 does not reflect the effort they claimed to to show. I really hate the fact we got less out of SB because of this no content area. I would rather not have it exist at all so we could had our stormblood palace of the dead, tribes would most likely been released sooner, maybe the glam dresser wouldn't of been so trash. Eurkeka took a lot of other resources that could of been used to really improve the game, so yes that is a part of the reason i hate it, because its basically no content. It does not show the claimed effort SE claimed to have put into it. There is nothing for us to do in Eurkeka except mindlessly grind, and they could had same effect by giving us a reboot on 2.0 relic book objectives, while that would been more interesting since it would not be done in one spot, doing the same thing over and over again, while taking a lot less development time to do so, since programing resources and time would not be put in that useless leveling system

What. Missing. Content. Are. You. Talking. About.
I thought I was clear enough in my post when I asked you to provide some proof of your claims.

I get that you fing Eureka boring. I really do. But don't jump at me and call me a blind fanboy and a white knight simply because I find it more interesting that you do. Damn.
It's not because I don't join the hate train that my opinion and feedback aren't relevant.


Edit because of daily limit:

give me one reason why i need to waste my time finding all those links and statements they made as such? you will just ignore it anyway like you have been doing. I guess you did start the game after 4.1 or something, what a joke.

If you started playing in 2.0 or hw, you would of seen we had a lot less content compared to them.

I am dismissing you, for how you are talking to me, you take what I say out of context, you do not try to truly understand what I say, so no, i am not bothering taking the time to find those links for you. I am not "hating" you for liking something, I displeased with how you treat me. Your "feedback" is not relevant because you are not responding to people properly.

For example, I told you people can wipe palace of the dead doing mindless things, you just attacked me saying I suck if I wipe on palace of the dead. I do not control when people can't handle stopping when they run over a mine, wiping the group from not pausing of doing mine > trapped silver. Nothing in Eureka forces risk calculating and reacting to the fly like that (I backed up when the person tripped the mine but I thought I was out of range of the chest because it was around a corner, it hit me though the wall)

Stop playing the victim. You were the one who came to challenge my opinions by answering to a cherry picked portion of my initial post, leaving out the stuff you couldn't answer to. You were the one who started making assumptions about how much time I play. And finally, you were the one saying that PotD 51-60 is harder and more dangerous than Eureka, when it's actually content people farm all the time to level up to 60 without any trouble, even with 4 randos DPS. Yes, you can wipe in PotD once in a blue moon when an idiot does something stupid and everyone in the group was next to him for some reason. But that's an extremely rare thing. You can't make a generalization out of one single rare exception. That's not how it works.
And after I answered to everything you said to me, you went on calling me a blind fanboy, dismissing everything I said. So I started answering to you the way I did because you were disrespectful and never intented to have a proper conversation with me to begin with. So, again, stop playing the victim when you where the one who came to me because you felt that you had to answer to my initial post, even if I never asked for your input.

But yeah, you win. I quit. I definitly gave you too much time, while you clearly don't want to do the same in order to have a proper argument. You just wanted to tell me how wrong I was to find some enjoyable bits in Eureka. Foolish me, coming to share some positivity on the official forums.

See you in Eureka.
Or not.

Keep on hating everything too.

I wont list things, but the list is long, are you serious Reynhart? because that questionning have plenty of answers, I will just hold myself from naming things because that could end up bad. I will just go ahead & readd

All of it, do you know how many fixes this game could use? my bad you dont, yet instead of completing a picture, what I se do look like cloned content & a tiny pile of ... (lagfatetrainreskinmpkmimicexcuses) nxt!

Nice examples you have here.
I won't list all the reasons why you're wrong, but the list is long.

Do you mind if I start arguing like that too? It's actually really easy and convenient as it takes no time and you don't have to prove anything.
"Eureka is so good I can't even start to list all the reason why."
Oh gosh I love that new way of arguing. I wish I knew about it sooner.

Got 1 dungeon in 4.1 instead of two. Features we did get lacked any good polish, the dresser is an example of something that wasn't ready to come out at all. Hildebrand is pathetically shorter than it's HW counterpart. Seriously, the 4.1 quest was ONE QUEST and we had to wait for 4.25 for more. Rhalgyr's didn't get any updates over time, unlike Mor Dhona and Idylshire, making the place boring and stale.

There's a few things for ya.

- The missing dungeon was justified by SE when they announced they'd make Ultimate Coil.
- Features like the dresser are very likely not made by the same people who work on creating new instanced battle content. So that's mostly irrelevant.
- Hildebrand is known to give SE troubles. Exactly like the postman quests. And again, that's mostly a writter's work. Not a instanced battle content planner's one.
- Yeah, Ralgr doesn't evolve. But what about Doma's castle? That's a new map with its own aetheryte which is begging to see some evolution. It's frankly too early to say.

Anyway, that's far from being "a lot" of missing content like I've been told.

[Vstarstruck]

What. Missing. Content. Are. You. Talking. About.
I thought I was clear enough in my post when I asked you to provide some proof of your claims.

I get that you fing Eureka boring. I really do. But don't jump at me and call me a blind fanboy and a white knight simply because I find it more interesting that you do. Damn.
It's not because I don't join the hate train that my opinion and feedback aren't relevant.

give me one reason why i need to waste my time finding all those links and statements they made as such? you will just ignore it anyway like you have been doing. I guess you did start the game after 4.1 or something, what a joke.

If you started playing in 2.0 or hw, you would of seen we had a lot less content compared to them.

I am dismissing you, for how you are talking to me, you take what I say out of context, you do not try to truly understand what I say, so no, i am not bothering taking the time to find those links for you. I am not "hating" you for liking something, I displeased with how you treat me. Your "feedback" is not relevant because you are not responding to people properly.

For example, I told you people can wipe palace of the dead doing mindless things, you just attacked me saying I suck if I wipe on palace of the dead. I do not control when people can't handle stopping when they run over a mine, wiping the group from not pausing of doing mine > trapped silver. Nothing in Eureka forces risk calculating and reacting to the fly like that (I backed up when the person tripped the mine but I thought I was out of range of the chest because it was around a corner, it hit me though the wall)

[Ruf]

What. Missing. Content. Are. You. Talking. About.
I thought I was clear enough in my post when I asked you to provide some proof of your claims.

I get that you fing Eureka boring. I really do. But don't jump at me and call me a blind fanboy and a white knight simply because I find it more interesting that you do. Damn.
It's not because I don't join the hate train that my opinion and feedback aren't relevant.

All of it, do you know how many fixes this game could use? my bad you dont, yet instead of completing a picture, what I se do look like cloned content & a tiny pile of ... (lagfatetrainreskinmpkmimicexcuses) nxt!

[Jijifli]

What. Missing. Content. Are. You. Talking. About.
I thought I was clear enough in my post when I asked you to provide some proof of your claims.

Got 1 dungeon in 4.1 instead of two. Features we did get lacked any good polish, the dresser is an example of something that wasn't ready to come out at all. Hildebrand is pathetically shorter than it's HW counterpart. Seriously, the 4.1 quest was ONE QUEST and we had to wait for 4.25 for more. Rhalgyr's didn't get any updates over time, unlike Mor Dhona and Idylshire, making the place boring and stale.

There's a few things for ya.