What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Alleo]

At least 90 pages out of 96 pages are just pointless ranting or some suggestions turning Eureka into another Diadem/instant noodle content.
By the way, this thread do not represent 80% of FF14 of playerbase.

Nobody of us has any numbers so going around and saying that we are the minority is false too...

Lets look at the known facts: The japenese forum is mostly angry with that, the highest amount of likes are with posts that are asking if this is fun or if this was tested, talking about how this just copied the bad stuff from old MMOs and not the fun parts, how they dont want any further Eureka content, how they are hurting and tired. They bring a lot of the same arguments we do. The german forum is also mostly against it. (No idea about the french forum). We have a post about the slide what they have learned from 1.0 with over 100 of likes and a thread about the fear for the future of this content with over 160+ likes. Reddit right now is a bit more positive but the likes there are still low, while the post that called it a trainwreck got over 1800 likes (and I believe that this is after they substract the dislikes?). Gamefaqs also is quite mixed and tended towards the negative side. So the evidence we have right here is quite negative.

Now personal anecdotes: I have seen no single post in my time in Eureka that was positive about this content. I have seen a lot of negative opinions. This again is just personal experience but goes together with the above point.

So we cant say for sure who is the majority right now but all above shows that a lot of people dislike it and that alone is bad because it was advertised as a major feature for SB and as the content where they should have learned from Diadem 1+2.

(Also if you have thread where nearly every page is full of rage and anger then maybe just maybe you are in the minority. And its fine if you like it...but that does not mean that we cant complain about it and want more out of a content then simply killing monsters in the most boring ways..)

On topic: The servers were horrible today..constant red DC symbols on whole groups, making some fights nearly impossible. I stopped counting my DCs which lost me at least one NM experience and loot..Get your servers ready for something like that or dont do this..

[Reynhart]

Nobody of us has any numbers so going around and saying that we are the minority is false too...

The people who actively voice their concern about Eureka are a minority. The people who actively voice their appreciation of Eureka are a minority. The people who actively voice whatever opinion they have on the forum, reddit or any game site are a minority.
So, whatever side you're on, you can't use threads to prove what the playerbase "mostly" thinks.

[Divinemights]

Nobody of us has any numbers so going around and saying that we are the minority is false too...

Lets look at the known facts: The japenese forum is mostly angry with that, the highest amount of likes are with posts that are asking if this is fun or if this was tested, talking about how this just copied the bad stuff from old MMOs and not the fun parts, how they dont want any further Eureka content, how they are hurting and tired. They bring a lot of the same arguments we do. The german forum is also mostly against it.

I am going to call you make up the fact. I read/write Japanese and I am pretty sure that ongoing discussion in Japanese forum is mix of positive, negative, and request for a better player search interface. Did I ever said majority of players loved Eureka? I only said people dislike the Eureka do not represent the FF14 player base.

[Alleo]

I am going to call you make up the fact. I read/write Japanese and I am pretty sure that ongoing discussion in Japanese forum is mix of positive, negative, and request for a better player search interface. Did I ever said majority of players loved Eureka? I only said people dislike the Eureka do not represent the FF14 player base.

つまらないです

これおもしろいんですか？
開発者さん？

This one has 106 likes.

一時間程度ソロで遊んでみた感想です。

すごく眠たくなりました。
延々と木人でスキル回ししている感じです

これ、面白いんですか？何に面白さを見出したら良いか、悩みを抱えたまま今日はログアウトしました。人を選びそうなコンテンツですね。

限られた開発リソースは今後このコンテンツに割かれていくのでしょうか？

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まさかレベリング70まで終わったのにまたレベリングさせられるとは。
しかもNM一択と言わざるを得ない程の経験値の少なさ、報酬の無さ、爽快感の無さ、時間をひたすら食い潰すコンテンツでしょうか。
ハッキリと現状と今後の致命的な問題点をあげます。

単純に面白くないです。
空島で散々フィードバックされた問題点を一切解決していない、ただの逆ゴリランドでしかありません。

レベリングに時間かかりすぎです。
時間が限られた方には既に絶望的であり、後発がこんな時間のかかるコンテンツに来るはずがありません。

費やす時間に対して得られるものが無さ過ぎます。
DDや空島でもトークンがもらえましたが、エウレカではモブを倒さない限りありません。


これだけの苦行の末に待っている報酬は零式より下位なワケですよね。

申し訳ないですが、何一つ魅力を感じません。

早急に手を入れるようお願いしたいです。

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もう直球で書きます

これ本当にテストしたんですか？して面白かったんですか？
申し訳ありませんがハクスラをする上での報酬も不味ければハクスラだけをしろと言わないばかりですね。
正直運営が空島から何を学ばれてきたのか分かりません（これが一番言いたかった）
エウレカに2時間かけるなら別の事に時間かけるほうが私は有意義だと感じました。

ハクスラゲー色々しましたけどどのゲームよりも苦痛ですよ
ゲームで苦行「だけ」を味わうならしたくないになるのは普通かと

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今までのどのコンテンツよりも出遅れて何も出来ない感が凄い。
実際募集も集まらないshoutしても入れない、ソロで狩り続けるかNM待ちしか出来ないとても退屈で窮屈な世界です。
実装後三日で感じた事です。もう少し後続も気軽に遊べるよう工夫して貰いたかったです。

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EL9まできたので武器強化クエとしての感想を

正直、当初思ったほどキツくありません。アネモスクリスタルを乱属性クリスタルに変換すると平均4個ほど乱属性クリスタルを入手できますし、徐々に狩場が高レベル帯へ移行したことでNMからのアネモスクリスタルも入手数増えましたし、雑魚の乱属性クリスタルもチェーンつなげて泥アップ状態にすると高確率で落としてます。（70％以上くらいか？）今現在、既に防具1部位染色可能な数のクリスタルを持っています。
この先も入手数どんどん増えそうなので、EL20ベースで見るとそれほど大変ではないと思われます。


ただですね、初めてエウレカ突入して、ゲロさんに話してクリスタル必要数を見て、クルルちゃんから乱属性1つ持ってこいと言われ雑魚を狩ってみる、しかし全然落とさない・・・
この時プレイヤーはどう思いますかね？私はキッツいなあと思いましたね、こんなの完成させられるのかと、このドロップ率で
NMを倒しまくりアネモスクリスタルを大量入手できる今だからこそそれほど大変ではないなと思えますが、最初の段階で心折れるプレイヤーがいても当然だと思います。

たしかアートマかアニムス実装の時に吉田Pが、「最初から大きな山を見せてしまうとプレイヤーの皆さんのやる気がなくなってしまうのでまずはアートマまで」みたいな事を言っていたと思うのですが、今回まさに一番始めの段階でプレイヤーに山を見せつけている状態になっています・・・

ちょっとやり方が下手過ぎますね、導入部の失敗のせいで必要以上に武器強化がキツく見えてしまっていますね

103 likes and it talks how its a bit easier to get crystals but how this is bad motivation for newcomers because they see the huge amount that is needed.

あの改善した空島からの更にフィードバックをうけて延期してまで作ってでこれなのでもうテコ入れも改善もしなくていいです
続編もいらないですしもうこういうタイプのコンテンツはいらないです

77 likes and says that they dont need anything of this type anymore.

つい先程、初めてデスペナを食らってみました。
現在のELが8。
受けたデスペナ経験値がなんと12,916という莫大な損失でした。
FATE3〜4回分ですね。

シグマ零の消化終わって一応通ってますが
本当に何一つ魅力を感じません。
かかる労力、時間、手間・・・
それに対するリターンは今の所花火とアネモス装備くらいでしょうか。
今後といっても武具を作ったところで零より弱いんですよね・・・？

膨大な時間かけてただ雑魚を狩り続ける行為の何が楽しいんでしょうか。
ストーリー見たさにこの苦行を耐え抜く自信は私にはありません。

是非、私にこのコンテンツの正しい楽しみ方を教えてください。

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昨日ちょっとやったけど、予想以上に糞過ぎてもうやる気起きません。
「オールドファンをディスるためにやってるんじゃないか」と思えるほど糞仕様満載で、
予想を上回るほどの糞加減にもう吐き気がします。

あとはこのコンテンツを回避するために、武器強化とか派生で何も絡ませないでほしい。
こんな糞コンテンツに押し込められたクルルさんがかわいそう。ゲロルトは別にいいですｗ

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All of this are from this thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...14-エウレカ/page11

Only after page 6 have you the recent impressions since before that was before the release. So please show me a handfull of truly positive posts that have at least these amount of likes. I did not translate the smaller ones with barely any likes, maybe those are positive? But if only a couple of them are even liked and those negative ones have a high amount doesnt that just show that they are more negative?

Don't know if its been stated here yet or anything but yeah people are already lvl 20 and have at least one anemos weapon in 3-4 days and not spoiling anything but its pretty easy to grind multiple weapons in a short time once again the community has overreacted.

Oh Savage was cleared in one day too its probably easy right? And didnt the relic itself always get finished by some in a few days or even one? These who are already at lvl 20 and have the weapon are those that plays a really big amount of time. You cant simply say that this is a good way to show that its easy. (And lets not forget that the relic gear set is part of the relic quest too, so maybe we will see how long it takes someone to get both of them on max level)

The lvl 20 NM seems to need a specific weather and time to spawn so this is not for casuals. You need a huge amount of luck to be online when those two are meet.

So apparently it's not cool to be annoyed when people judge something they know next to nothing about. And it's not cool to say it's fine if they don't like it if they tried it properly.

Wtf...

Starting to feel like my input is deemed unworthy if I don't hate Eureka.

: /

And yet people that like it are allowed to just judge it at first glance? Why must one side play it for x hours before being allowed to dislike it and others can just post that they liked it after being there once and thats fine? Its not that its unworthy but the problem is that some of those that like it seemingly post in there to say that WE have no right to complain, that WE should play it a longer time to judge, that WE do it wrong somehow because we dont enjoy it or more. Some of those posters in here say that hating on it is a meme. You also said that its bad that people judge it on their first impressions even though this is the thread for first impressions..and a lot of use also have done more than one run and still dislike it.

Not everyone has to run it x times to see if its something for them to like or not. And yet those are just told that they are not allowed to be negative about because of that. It really feels more that some (not everyone!) does not accept that content that they like is not very well liked on the forum and thus see it somehow as a personal attack. Its not!

[Penthea]

And yet people that like it are allowed to just judge it at first glance?

I never said this at all.

God this thread is awful.

[Vstarstruck]

over the top insulting post

All I did was respond to you in the same matter you did to Stanelis and Kaonis. You even tried to "correct" (wrongly) Velhart's statement about ilevel. You want to know something? I did get a relic in ffxi, the OLD way, before all the nerfing. Do NOT sit here and tell me I am like a group of people from one country that wants instant gratification because you like something and I do not. It goes back to Jijifli's quote.

People that don't like Eureka can't catch a break on this.

If people complain they went in for a bit and hated it, they get told they didn't do enough of it so their feelings to the content are wrong. THEN they go in and bother doing it because they're being pushed that not doing it means they don't know how it is, and now they're getting told because they're doing it they MUST like it.

That's my experience with the wonderful Novice network. "Oh look at all the complaining, but where is everyone? Oh in Eureka" Ya maybe because people keep telling us our opinion on content doesn't matter until we do enough to warrent its own plat trophy on PlayStation...

Ceallach, I can't believe what you just pulled, you are classic example of needing to be told kettle black.

So apparently it's not cool to be annoyed when people judge something they know next to nothing about. And it's not cool to say it's fine if they don't like it if they tried it properly.

Wtf...

Starting to feel like my input is deemed unworthy if I don't hate Eureka.

: /

All I did was point out you said conflicting things, it does not matter what you like or dislike. I am just left being confused.

This one has 106 likes.

I am wondering, do people on the Japanese forum have to deal with rabid white knights like here when they dislike something?

あとはこのコンテンツを回避するために、武器強化とか派生で何も絡ませないでほしい。

O_o someone mind translating that for me?

Not going to criticise you for your taste but I this is actually wrong.
The grind is actually very short I'd say about 3-4 days if you really want to get it done maybe a week if you feel like doing it sparingly, but frankly the higher you and everyone is the more NM spawn can be done, the faster you and once you hit 20 you practically can chain relics so fast.

AT level 6 ppl were reportuing about 100 crystals hour I expect that by lv 20 it's tripled due to the sheer amount of anemos crystals obtained from NM also you need just 1 pazuzu kill for a final weapon, which leads me to believe that most ppl will finish it very quickly. And this is a problem too because this is not a long goal, this is a rather quick one and the zone is built around just that which will leave eureka quite empty simply because ppl will have finished what they wanted so quickly.

Again not criticising you for not liking it just saying that this is anything but a long goal

That is not 2 hours a day play, so I am going to tell you that you are factually wrong. How long does it take you to get the point of 100 crystals per hour? pure BS. This also does not change the fact of mindlessly AoEing monsters for something is not 17 months worth of wait. We had no relic to grind for till the later half of this expansion. We only get 4 more 8 man raids, 2-24 man raids, it is very late releasing a relic, and this mindless grind is what we do for such a long wait? This kind of grind could of been achieved without programing this massive complex and unfulfilling area. They could of at least start SB with a relic then have it continue in this diadem 3.0 This "content" had no thought put behind it.

We were not given 17 months of development content. I really wished they abandoned it early on saying the programing to implement is too complex for this game so they could done something else with better thought. How long the grind is has nothing to do we literally got no content with the effect it had on developing this. would making a relic weapon i360 requiring 100k crystals magically make it content? does not matter how long the grind is or how much some people have fun in it, the fact remains we did not get content that validated stripping SB from other areas. They could improved inventory management better in all that time, or give us a glam log. This no content place with its long development time is insulting.

I'm a former XI player; I played for about 4 years before moving over to WoW.

The "XI content" I'd want to see in XIV is Dynamis. If SE were to add a version of Dynamis to XIV it would actually be the most raid-esque zone in the game aside from Crystal Tower/Void Ark/Rabinastre. I think they "tried" to do something similar to Dynamis with Eureka, but they really missed the mark.

A Dynamis-Eureka type place could've been nice:
[LIST][*] Enter as an alliance group - Dynamis could have 64? people in the same instance, but you could do it easily with 24? (it's been a long time; I can't remember exact numbers, but you didn't even need half of 64)

72/12 I believe
6-11 if we are talking after abyssea and before it became solo. I do not think good ls took more then 18 people unless it was xara

I never said this at all.

God this thread is awful.

It is not the thread, it is how you are speaking

[Remedi]

That is not 2 hours a day play, so I am going to tell you that you are factually wrong. How long does it take you to get the point of 100 crystals per hour? pure BS. This also does not change the fact of mindlessly AoEing monsters for something is not 17 months worth of wait. We had no relic to grind for till the later half of this expansion. We only get 4 more 8 man raids, 2-24 man raids, it is very late releasing a relic, and this mindless grind is what we do for such a long wait? This kind of grind could of been achieved without programing this massive complex and unfulfilling area. They could of at least start SB with a relic then have it continue in this diadem 3.0 This "content" had no thought put behind it.

I got in and got 100 anemos crystals in 1 hours since at least they are 200 protean you can do the math yourself
I'm not max level yet and I've done mostly low level NM too so yes it's by no mean a long grind or a long term goal

[Vstarstruck]

I got in and got 100 anemos crystals in 1 hours since at least they are 200 protean you can do the math yourself
I'm not max level yet and I've done mostly low level NM too so yes it's by no mean a long grind or a long term goal

How long did it take for you GET THE ABILITY to do 100 per hour? you did not answer my question, how do I know you are just not a 24/7 grinder making it sound like it is not a big deal when it is, when people that play 1-2 hours a day can't progress in it?

After putting 4-5 hours in it, I deem it not worth my time and not something I want to do, unless my SO drags me in it.

Went in for a second time a few days ago. Second impression was worse than my first impression. I was so bored. It's like they took everything I hate about XIV and crammed it into one instance. Mindless grinding. Repetitive combat. Technical issues caused by too many people being crammed into one place deliberately.

At this point I have no idea if I'll ever get the relic. I'm not sure I care, either. It's something I can only tolerate at all with friends, and even then it bores me so much that I barely want to play the game at all after being in there a while.

this, in the end people trying to defend it misses the main point yet again.

Why should I spend so much time doing the same boring thing over and over again? FFXI did not do this, you had different things to do with different time gates to make it at least feel different, and you got to talk during the happenings. This is just mashing one button over and over again for 2+ hours straight.

[Remedi]

How long did it take for you GET THE ABILITY to do 100 per hour? you did not answer my question, how do I know you are just not a 24/7 grinder making it sound like it is not a big deal when it is, when people that play 1-2 hours a day can't progress in it?

After putting 4-5 hours in it, I deem it not worth my time and not something I want to do, unless my SO drags me in it.


this, in the end people trying to defend it misses the main point yet again.

Why should I spend so much time doing the same boring thing over and over again? FFXI did not do this, you had different things to do with different time gates to make it at least feel different, and you got to talk during the happenings. This is just mashing one button over and over again for 2+ hours straight.

As I said in the post you quoted I was not defending how ppl judge the content I've said that considering this a long grind is wrong because even with my 1 session day I'm able to get 100 + anemos hour
But you are so in depth to hate everything about it that honestly I'm wasting my time
Also fyi I have timetables to keep in my life so I cannot really grind 24/24 but tyvm for expecting this about anything

And frankly my point is not that it is a short grind like it, I'm only pointing out it is a short grinding and that is a problem because the entire zone has ONLY that, once you get what you want from it there's no reason for you to keep going there

edit limit reached @Varstruck: from thursday I was able to get that many crystals btw and BTW I don't like Eureka I just pointed out a wrong information about the grind with Granyala statement that's why I said I didn't criticised him for not liking the content.

In fact I did show my criticism of the content and often said how I don't like the content, but unless I do slander devs and content and ppl that like content like this I'm just an apologist or a white knight.

[Penthea]

It is not the thread, it is how you are speaking

I didn't know I could offend people by saying "give it a proper try before judging. If you have and still don't like it, then it's fine."

I guess anything I say is offensive in this thread because I'm in the fate train instead of the hate train.