Developers, Please Address Samurai Kicking

[Nemekh]

Don't see it on Primal either. Odd.

Primal has had historical PF lockouts on certain jobs especially since the start of SB. SMN and BLM were being kept out, then it was mostly BLM, then BLM and SAM, now mostly SAM, although there is still the stigma people seem to hold about all BLM and SAMs you'll see through PF are not good and will cause wipes, be a dead weight etc. I personally will never lock out a BLM or SAM when I make party listings for farms.

[Mavrias]

Primal has had historical PF lockouts on certain jobs especially since the start of SB. SMN and BLM were being kept out, then it was mostly BLM, then BLM and SAM, now mostly SAM, although there is still the stigma people seem to hold about all BLM and SAMs you'll see through PF are not good and will cause wipes, be a dead weight etc. I personally will never lock out a BLM or SAM when I make party listings for farms.

Over the past few weeks, I've seen maybe two PF listings exclusively excluding SAM. In other cases, there's either a SAM already in the party, a MNK already in the party, parse runs, looking for very specific jobs (i'm not gonna begrudge a BRD for wanting a DRG) or flat out is allowing all dps. Instances with all dps slots filled and there happens to be no SAM cant be counted for obvious reasons.

[Neela]

Looks like the devs are fine with sams being kicked / blacklisted in all content.

i don't get why people always fall from grace if one cls is locked out by our own community... its nothing new... so many cls faced that destiny in the past and they all are still alive... Brds, Mchs, Smn, Schs, loldrg, Whm, Mnks.... lately Blms & Sams... I don't see anything special this time compared to all the other so called "dead jobs" no-one will ever play in endgame... popularity will change again with new tiers or job-lvl-cap-increases and new skills.

[DaulBan]

Reporting the party leaders won't do anything, it could be considered spurious reporting which might actually cause you trouble...

As for pfs with locked out jobs, just make your own or join another one. You have to be going out of your way to really find ones that truly don't want SAM seeing as most parties don't care from what I've seen.

[Lorielle]

As for pfs with locked out jobs, just make your own or join another one. You have to be going out of your way to really find ones that truly don't want SAM seeing as most parties don't care from what I've seen.

You really don't understand. I'm not trying to even force my way into those parties. I just want a damn clear for my weekly. It's gotten so bad that I've geared Ninja to a degree for the sake of just getting in for the week. But guess what if NIN is taken? Better find something else! May as well level healer. People -always- need healers. Huehuehue.

You people say "Create" your own parties. But when the number of people that have cleared that content are only a handful...Why are they going to join your newly fresh party over the party that's practically full unless their slot is also taken? No sense whatsoever.

[DaulBan]

You people say "Create" your own parties. But when the number of people that have cleared that content are only a handful...Why are they going to join your newly fresh party over the party that's practically full unless their slot is also taken? No sense whatsoever.

All parties when they're made, assuming that they were created by a single person, start with only one person in them. If someone wants to make a party at all that's what they have to do unless they have some people who want to tag along for the content. Why is it that you should be exempt from that very simple fact? Make your party and wait for it to fill like anyone else who wants to make their own party.

It's literally the same issue that any DPS who are dealing with full PF parties.

[Lorielle]

All parties when they're made, assuming that they were created by a single person, start with only one person in them. If someone wants to make a party at all that's what they have to do unless they have some people who want to tag along for the content. Why is it that you should be exempt from that very simple fact? Make your party and wait for it to fill like anyone else who wants to make their own party.

It's literally the same issue that any DPS who are dealing with full PF parties.

In a perfect world where the two parties are created at the same time, this would make sense. However, in a REALISTIC scenario, when you log in, there are -NUMEROUS- parties created already and have slots filled. Trying to -attempt- to start your own as a class that is shunned is -typically- not going to be in your favor. And you completely glossed over my issue despite you quoting it.

Have you actually bothered try making God Kefka clears? o_O

[HyoMinPark]

You really don't understand. I'm not trying to even force my way into those parties. I just want a damn clear for my weekly. It's gotten so bad that I've geared Ninja to a degree for the sake of just getting in for the week. But guess what if NIN is taken? Better find something else! May as well level healer. People -always- need healers. Huehuehue.

That’s the case with ANY DPS job. I main BRD—what if the BRD spot in a party is taken? Well, I either make my own (where I’m the BRD spot), or find another one. It’s not that hard to just make your own party.

You people say "Create" your own parties. But when the number of people that have cleared that content are only a handful...Why are they going to join your newly fresh party over the party that's practically full unless their slot is also taken? No sense whatsoever.

People join for a variety of reasons. They don’t always automatically join the one that’s nearly almost full—I won’t join any party that doesn’t have a DRG because I want to at least parse well, and BRDs cannot get as high of a parse without a DRG. Make your own group if you want a clear on a particular job. All parties have to wait to fill, so it’s not like it’s “unfair” to ask you to wait as well.

Trying to -attempt- to start your own as a class that is shunned is -typically- not going to be in your favor.

More often than not, I see groups with all slots open to any job. Looking at PF now, there are plenty of Kefka prog/learning and God Kefka prog groups that do not have SAM locked out—the melee are split within gear drops (e.g., “MNK/SAM”), but most are “MNK/SAM/DRG/NIN” for all 4 melee jobs.

[Lorielle]

That’s the case with ANY DPS job. I main BRD—what if the BRD spot in a party is taken? Well, I either make my own (where I’m the BRD spot), or find another one. It’s not that hard to just make your own party.

....Umm. You're a BARD. Not a job that is shunned from the community. Who are you going to take into a Parse Party? Samurai or Bard????? It's not hard to make them. But again, there's a myriad of parties competing for a handful of players that -cleared- the content.

People join for a variety of reasons. They don’t always automatically join the one that’s nearly almost full—I won’t join any party that doesn’t have a DRG because I want to at least parse well, and BRDs cannot get as high of a parse without a DRG. Make your own group if you want a clear on a particular job. All parties have to wait to fill, so it’s not like it’s “unfair” to ask you to wait as well.

Not automatically. Yes, there's X Factors. But you even stated it yourself? You won't join if there's no DRG. So if the Samurai is there with a Monk, would you bother joining then? No, right? Or maybe SAM/NIN~? The latter half is doable, but the point stands you won't be parsing high as you want because there's someone there you don't want. The only time a party waits for anything is usually when there's a healer missing. It's -never- the DPS that's missing from my experience. Though I can see the -occasional- Bard requirement but that's for min/maxing from DRG or vice versa. It's...not even a matter of being asked to wait...Lol. It's just a literal "No one wants Samurai". Perform well, you still aren't wanted. Even a friend who I proved to I'm not a crap Samurai will still say "I don't like it" and will prefer the meta.

More often than not, I see groups with all slots open to any job. Looking at PF now, there are plenty of Kefka prog/learning and God Kefka prog groups that do not have SAM locked out—the melee are split within gear drops (e.g., “MNK/SAM”), but most are “MNK/SAM/DRG/NIN” for all 4 melee jobs.

I'd like to see these weekly clears for God Kefka that you see. Cause I promise I wouldn't complain if this wasn't an issue. I dunno when you looked, but I could have very well been in a God Kefka party as Ninja at the time. So at the time -I- was seeking members, that was not the case. Now, do not misunderstand, I do make parties -if- there's not tons of parties up already because, -once again- there is only a handful of people that have cleared. There's reasons why parties wait hours just to even fill for a lockout. And those are Kefka Prog...? I mean, I don't honestly think anyone cares about the comp save doubles when it comes to Prog. But clearing? Different story fam.

[HyoMinPark]

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Then if you’re supposedly seeing so many Kefka weekly clear parties not wanting a SAM (I still don’t see these and we are on the same data center), make your own. It’s that simple.

Even if there were parties that were “rampantly blacklisting” SAMs, you can still bypass it by making your own. A party leader is entitled to their own preferences, as you would be entitled to them if you were party leader. Make your own if it’s such an issue.

I’ve joined weekly clear parties from V5S to V7S (since I am still progging V8S) and none have ever blacklisted SAM. I really don’t think it’s as big of an issue as you’re making it out to be. If it is, for the third time: make your own. Your PF, your rules. So what if you have to wait for it to fill? So does every other PF.