Got kicked Right before boss.

[ChocoFeru]

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I guess we have different points of view on some stuff. I'm usually more patient, for example if I'l playing SCH and the newbie tank has a had time to hold aggro, I would stop doing high DPS, and then I would give him some tips.

Same thing if I run as tank, I would stop going DPS stance and would pull slowly if the healer has a bad time healing me.


What it seems is that the DPSs and healer kept playing their jobs at full; DPS doing lots of damage, healer doing damage as well, and the newbie tank had problems holding aggro.

He didn't know how to hold aggro or do his basic rotation, yes, but I think the others didn't really help him on practice.
They kicked him right in front of the final boss, and I think that shows the DPS and healer true intentions. I mean, they cleared the boss without tank because they didn't need him, so the problem wasn't the tank himself, yet they kicked him.
They just wanted to prove how right they are and give him a lesson with a kick, "that'll show him, hah!".

All I see is entitlement on this specific case.


On other situations, if I ever kick a newbie it would be because he wouldn't listen or answer, but usually it's me who leaves if I see no feedback at all.

Also keep in mind that it was a random Dutyfinder dungeon, not a Party Finder dungeon. When you queue for it, you should expect stuff like that.

Am I too patient, maybe?

[Vidu]

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We are indeed having different views here, maybe I can explain where mine comes from, specially in this case?

I'd like to refer to your line "They just wanted to prove how right they are and give him a lesson with a kick, "that'll show him, hah!"." here - and pointout two things:
1) It kinda worked, didnt it? The OP created this thread and will hopefully improve upon their tanking now to get it to a skill-level thats more reflecting of their character-level. Doesnt excuse any potential malicious behaviour, but
2) what would have been won by carrying OP through the last boss aswell? I'm saying this because a lot of responsed from the OP in this thread had the notion of "They wasted MY time" for me - instead of taking a step back and reflecting upon wether or not he might have "wasted" anyones time. My judgment might be wrong, but I got the impression that he would have just jumped straight back into the next dungeon, the next group - still being unable to perform, when it would have actually been needed that he takes a step back, looks at what hes doing as tank and compares that to what he should be doing.


Then... "it was a random Dutyfinder dungeon [...] When you queue for it, you should expect stuff like that."
No. This is were I'll strongly disagree with you, sorry.
Or rather: Sure, expect tanks not tanking, healers not healing and DPS staring at walls in a DF-run. But do not tolerate that. At a certain (level)-point that is something we should not have to expect and put up with anymore. At a certain level-point I should expect people to perform the basics of their job without being asked to do so. Level 50 dungeons seem well within that point for me (with a bit more leeway for RDM and SAM at level 50-54). No one should be learning the basics of their job or their basic 1-2-3 combo in a level 50 dungeon, sorry.
I'm not expecting perfect play in DF but I also shouldnt expect or put up with "garbage" (I want to make very, very clear that this is NOT directed at the OP at all, but meant as a general statment - I do not mean to insult anyone personal here, just to make this point).

So... if you ask me - yes, maybe you are to patient. And that can be a good thing for some newbies in DF! For those who are willing to listen, but I cant help thinking that if everyone always gets away with true subpar-play (again: not talking perfection; talking "failing to do the basics") it enables that play and makes them believe they're actually doing fine. "We cleared the dungeon, so whats the problem?" - when the problem was that one person was Shield Lob'ing/not Cure-ing/Ice-Only-Casting through the dungeon, making a clear only possible thanks to the other three people.
Maybe I'm to harsh, but I cant endorse (right word?) that.