Got kicked Right before boss.

[ErryK]

The Scholar should've been kicked, not the tank.

That's all I have to say.

[ShadowHunterrX]

This is one of the mean reasons I dont take threads like these serious. Normally you see only one side of the story and everybody sides with the victim.

I am glad Kakiko shared the link for the other side of the story or else it was again a victim petting theard.

[Maighdlin]

This is one of the mean reasons I dont take threads like these serious. Normally you see only one side of the story and everybody sides with the victim.

I am glad Kakiko shared the link for the other side of the story or else it was again a victim petting theard.

That tends to be the case for sure. But I will say a lot of people actually challenged the OP in this thread to start with. Then details revealed themselves...

[Fhaerron]

Had this happen in PoTD once, just annoying.

[Dualgunner]

That tends to be the case for sure. But I will say a lot of people actually challenged the OP in this thread to start with. Then details revealed themselves...

No, actually. First reply was you, getting more details on the situation. Second reply was Kakiko posting the link to the DF thread.

[Limonia]

it was a mistake making this thread...

If you wouldn't have made this thread, you wouldn't have listened to any advice and would still be using Shield Lob all the time.
And if your group wouldn't have kicked you before the last boss, you wouldn't have made this thread.
Yes, it's not nice to kick someone before the last boss. I think it's somehow alright though in some cases, just to show them "this is not ok" - if they didn't have the chance to kick the person before or tried to give them more advice before kicking. Also, of course the people who were really rude should have been kicked before.
But still, you must see it like this - good came out of it because you wouldn't have had the chance to get better without this incident. You maybe know now that it is not a bad thing to take advice from others.

(Also, people are giving you great advice and you tell them to stop posting? That is rude as well, especially with how you worded it. You want others to be nice, so be nice too...)

[micropanther7]

Yeah i most definitely work on getting better and improving, i do appreciate the advice that most people have given, thanks for the advice!

Yes, focus on the good advice in this thread, and I'd recommend finding fellow tanks in game who are more skilled who can teach you and show the ropes And don't judge the playerbase as a whole by how people behave on the forums, even if the thread was a mistake, take something positive from it. And remember to communicate with your teammates, people will help you if you're open to learning. Like Limonia said, be nice and cut each other some slack, some people genuinely wanna help and sometimes text doesn't always convey intent, good luck

[ChocoFeru]

The entitlement...
It's so sad that people only focuses on OP's skill instead of the kick itself.

The kick was unnecessary. OP is a new player and we shouldn't expect perfect plays from new members, and you shouldn't expect that your "useful tips" can improve their skills in 1 minute.


The persons who kicked him are entitled people who think they're good at giving tips, but the kick itself proves otherwise.
Shame on them and people who deffend arbitrary kicks like these. We're giving a bad image to new players, and this thread stinks of entitlement.

[Nedkel]

Honestly I would have kicked anyone not preforming their role (i.e tank losing threat everywhere, healer not healing etc), replace and move on, it's not the end of the world if they don't take any advice I won't waste it if they haven't caught onto how to do their primary role by lvl 50.

But you could get lvl 50 within 2 weeks of doing quests only with double bonus exp "road to 60" and sanctuary bonus (not sure do they stack).
Seriously, you expect these players to learn anything in that time? xD

[Vidu]

The entitlement...
It's so sad that people only focuses on OP's skill instead of the kick itself.

The kick was unnecessary. OP is a new player and we shouldn't expect perfect plays from new members, and you shouldn't expect that your "useful tips" can improve their skills in 1 minute.

There is a difference though between "perfect play" and "using only Shield Loop" - if you think of it as a scale, OPs performance in that dungeon seemed to have been kinda close to the "Sield Loop"-side, resulting in mobs attacking party-members. I dont see a reason not to believe Kaldea when they say that "aggro was all over the place" and OP himself makes a remark about him taking "most of the damage" - both implying that he did not have aggro on all mobs. He had also stated that he did not use his combo and when asked about this, replied with believing Shield Loop to be stronger... and then continue to use that. To me that doesnt sound like anyone expected them to improve in less a minute but rather that he dismissed that tip outright.
I can understand that party with that nasty DPS and unpleasent scholar probably wasnt the nicestes place to learn - half because of them... and half because it was TamTara HM, A level 50 dungeon.
Using your main-combo and flash instead of Shield Loop isnt "perfect play".
Its playing the job at a very basic level.

The kick apparently occured when it became apparent that OP wasnt able or willing to bring that basic job performance to the table - keep in mind that there are some things that can delay a kick: Hope, that he might understand during the next pull; a newly engaged fight; an open chest.

I do not support this "newbie cuddeling" and giving them free pass through everything on the grounds of "Oh, but they're new!" - please note that I also dont support any rude behaviour. I might not sugarcoat things, but I'm trying my very best to stay polite.
That being said: A person at level 50 isnt new anymore in my book. Or at least not new enough to get a free pass at failing basic mechanics of the job. Wether or not the party is still able to clear the dungeon doesnt matter to much to me here, because if they are indeed clearing the dungeon, it was on the expense of the 3 other people in said dungeon, with one person partically left behind in a corner.

We should not be okay with rude behaviour in any form - and to be honest: being unable to perform to your role [not PERFECT! Just the BASIC STUFF], not preparing for the upcoming grouptask is kinda rude. No excuse for harrassment and being called word, but I honestly dont understand how people can be fine with tanks not tanking, healers not healing and BLMS only casting ice past level 30*.
When does someone stop being new in your book? Or at least new enough to make them aware that they're having fundamental troubles with the job they'v choosen?

Yes, we should be nice and welcoming to our fellow players, new or not. And I'm all for the benefit of the doubt - but at a certain level, certain skills should be expected and if they're not being delivered and the person in question makes the dungeon unnecessary "difficult" or annoying for the rest of the party, that person does deserve a kick. I cant support the idea of letting 3 people "suffer" just so the feelings of that new person wont get hurt by being told "Hey, you seem to have trouble with the basics of your job - please try using this skill. It does this."

*Yes, I know that AST, MCN and DRK start at 30 - but to unlock them you need to reach Ishgard, so you've played a while already, so one would hope you're able to figure their basics out since you've made yourself familiar with the basics of one job already. Same with RDM and SAM at 50 - I dont expect perfect play there, for heavens sake! But I expect people to make themself familiar with the job they pick before taking it in group-content.
Goes even more for jump potion user: If you skip the chance to gather experience with that job by not gathering experience for that job, I expect you to read some sort of quick guide, your tooltips and at the very, very least the description of what your job is supposed to do. I had a level 67-jump-potion-DRK in Bardams once... it wasnt pretty, aggro was everywhere, tankstance not present, communication attemtpts ignored. They left without ever saying a word after 4 minutes (mind you, all that was said in chat was stuff like "Can you please turn on grit? It will help you to hold aggro more easly!" and "Can you use Unleash to make sure the mobs are attacking you instead of the healer?)

But you could get lvl 50 within 2 weeks of doing quests only with double bonus exp "road to 60" and sanctuary bonus (not sure do they stack).
Seriously, you expect these players to learn anything in that time? xD

Basics?
Yeah, sure.
I dont recall which quest excatly it was but one of the very earlier gld-quests (level 15, maybe?) is a lesson on Flash - Hall of Novice is a thing. If I'm not mistaken, the game sends you there before you enter your first dungeon. You can skip it, but at that point it becomes your responsibility to make sure you know the basics of your job.
Would you not expect that a healer at level 50 to have figured out how to heal you at that point?

I'm always thinking about this with a solo-game in mind, asking the question: If you woudl ignore such basics in a solo-game - would you beat it?
And what do you do when you cant beat a solo-game? You either quit, consulte a guide or sit down and review your skills again.
The problem is that in an MMO 3 other people can indeed carry you through dungeons without your knowledge...