The lack of actual playable content in 1.20 is a bummer. :( Discussion!

[Murugan]

every patch will have some form of content

the problem is, people will never be satisifed with it being "enough"

especialy those who are already "waiting" on new stuff because they completed the current stuff

this isnt an issue with just this game as ive constantly pointed out, these same people have this same problem in every mmo, no game can create content quick enough to satisfy those who sit on the end of it

FFXI satisfied most us for years. So I'm sorry but you are clueless to MMO's if you think "they can never make enough content to please people who sit on the end of it". (whatever that means. I guess that it is "our own fault" for leveling to 50 in over a year and wanting more to do?)

One piece of relevant endgame content is not enough. They cannot afford to not only just release one fight per patch, but also to make the others useless. I'm hoping this is just the product of them doing all these battle changes, but in the future they need to try and aim for 5+ concurrent endgame objectives at one time.

Anything short of that is unacceptable for an MMO which people pay a subscription fee for. It is not a single player game, we are (soon) paying them for new content to keep us entertained. Bottom line is they need to find a way to deliver. I love the game, but that is just the facts. Subscription based MMO's have to continuously give people content to play.

[Ronik]

every patch will have some form of content

the problem is, people will never be satisifed with it being "enough"

especialy those who are already "waiting" on new stuff because they completed the current stuff

this isnt an issue with just this game as ive constantly pointed out, these same people have this same problem in every mmo, no game can create content quick enough to satisfy those who sit on the end of it

You aren't understanding the issue fully here. The issue is that the game has been out a whole year and is extremely bare bones in terms of endgame content. If you're going to try and draw a comparison to other mmo's, you need to also see that this game has a severe lack of things to do compared to every mmo developed in the past decade (and the 3-4 activities that do exist involve repeating the same event over and over again - ifrit, stronghold which is largely irrelevant content, and I guess crafting?).

Fact is, the current endgame content (if it can be called that) has long gone stale, and 1.20 only adds a single boss fight to keep players here for the next few months. Add to the fact that they will be charging us at some point between 1.20 and 1.21, and, well, the playerbase will probably dwindle very soon.

I've already resigned myself to the fact that the development of endgame content can and should be neglected in favor of fixing the core game mechanics, however, that doesn't change the fact that this winter will be a difficult stretch for even the casual endgame players who already don't have much, if anything, to do at the moment.

[Blarp]

I don't honestly believe you can think there is lack of content in this game:

I was in Top 20 US WoW guild and I logged in.... 3 hours per week.

FFXIV I have ~650 achievements (So Nero doesn't have to stalk!) and I play about 30 hours a week meaning at least for me, this game has 10x the content WoW had.

Its all about figuring out something to do, and if you have nothing to do just go play like Skyrim until 1.20 and do that content and play more Skyrim? IDK

You played three hours a week and got top 20 in the US? 'm going to have to call bullshit. I've done progression raiding, and three hours a week won't get you anywhere near the top 20. The best guilds in the world can spend three hours on a single boss.

[Felis]

Operations Roadmap
■Major Milestones

・Late November to Early Decemeber, 2011 - Patch 1.20 (and subsequent hotfixes)
⇒Class adjustments (abilities & weaponskills) / Malevolent Moogle (Primal) battle
⇒Achievement system (300+ planned) / Market adjustments / PC search
⇒The continuation of Disciple of the Hand recipe adjustments (HQ items / Repair adjustments)

・Early February 2012 - Patch 1.21 (and subsequent hotfixes)
⇒Creation of Private Rooms (Inns, etc.) / Hamlet defense PvE content
⇒The job system (7 jobs plus related quests and gear) / Personal chocobo gear
⇒Two new instanced raids

・Mid April 2012 - Patch 1.22 (and subsequent hotfixes)
⇒Garuda (Primal) battle./ Battle system balance adjustments
⇒Garlean Empire battle content

・Early to Mid July 2012 - Patch 1.23 (and subsequent hotfixes)
⇒Garlean Empire Legatus battle
⇒Content surrounding the Twelve mythos

They didn't promise more battle content than the moogle for 1.20 from the start

For the other content (not all content need to be battle content), we get new quests, new gc missions, Caravan security part 2, new NM, new recipes, ingame achievements

[Sanlord]

Oh boy. Another rabid fanboy who refuses to believe anything is wrong with this game. Sigh, I guess I can't expect anything less from the official forums, eh?



No, this does NOT count as engaging endgame content. The vast majority of quests are simple "fetch me this" or "kill 6 of this" which yield negligible gil rewards (and are a terrible investment of time even if you're doing them for exp). You are not meant to complete every quest line to hit max level. It is the developers job to ensure there are enough sidequests to do in order to reach the cap, and then a world of ENDGAME content devoted exclusively to max rank players.

Achievements ARE NOT content. Let me repeat that for emphasis: Achievements ARE not content. Content in FFXIV would be defined as a diverse amount of boss battles, dungeons, missions, places to explore, HNMs to hunt, possibly PVP (just throwing this in here since yoshi has mentioned it), acquiring of rare endgame materials for rare endgame gear, high difficulty/high challenge instanced events (ENMs, BCNMs, Dynamis etc). FFXIV currently has one primal battle and one endgame dungeon which rewards gear which is completely useless.

And yes, I have exp'd all the classes I want to exp and more. Repeating the grind for absolutely no reason other than to waste time does not qualify as fun, it does not qualify as content, and there is absolutely no way I would call it an engaging use of my time.




There are only THREE events currently in game which constitute endgame content. They are the Ifrit battle, Darkhold, and the Stronghold. Of these three, Ifrit is the only one which is worth doing at all, because the gear from the other two is completely useless. On top of that, the stronghold is basically grinding out extremely low % drop keys for a CHANCE at loot which is inferior to everything which is craftable.

There is literally no reason to do any of this "content", and even if there was, they is absolutely no difficulty involved in downing any of the stronghold bosses. Even if stronghold gear was best in slot (which, in almost every single case, it is not) it takes all of 5 minutes to reach a stronghold boss and then you sit there and kill it until you have what you want. Even in this fantasy scenario, the stronghold bosses do not constitute substantial content.




I've been to multiple chests in every stronghold, thank you very much, and I have zero incentive to ever return. As a MRD tank, much of the sentinel gear is literally almost the exact same shit as the crafted red cobalt plate (minus one or two points of stun resistance) and I have no desire to try double materia'ing Sentinel gear for +1 stun resistance or an utterly useless +5 block when I already have top of the line crafted/slotted gear. The gear is crap (and by crap I mean 90% of it is entirely useless, and sentinel is the same as red cobalt at best), and you're just too asinine to see that.




If you think the stronghold bosses qualify as endgame content to keep us occupied for three months, I have nothing more to say to you. Take your fanboyism elsewhere - kindly gtfo. Oh, P.S., if you want to grind out 10-15 pieces of sentinel so I can blow them all up in an attempt to double materia them like my red cobalt just so I can have that +1 stun resistance, go right ahead bro.

YOU'RE FAR TO BE HARDCORE LOL

Have you at least got all sub skills? answer: no! You're noob talking "nothing" in the official forums.

GLA 50
MRD 50
ARC 00 lol Where is your defense/attack buffs for Darkhold and Ifrit?
LNC 00 lol Where is your defense/attack buffs for Darkhold and Ifrit?
PGL 40 lol

CNJ 48 Oh he have cure III ; ;
THM 00 Do you even have Punishing Barbs, Contagion and Emulate!!! OMFG

I won't list alot more of skill that make THM essecial to have.

Stop hearing this guy he is nothing.

[Cale_Imrik]

YOU'RE FAR TO BE HARDCORE LOL

Have you at least got all sub skills? answer: no! You're noob talking "nothing" in the official forums.

GLA 50
MRD 50
ARC 00 lol Where is your defense/attack buffs for Darkhold and Ifrit?
LNC 00 lol Where is your defense/attack buffs for Darkhold and Ifrit?
PGL 40 lol

CNJ 48 Oh he have cure III ; ;
THM 00 Do you even have Punishing Barbs, Contagion and Emulate!!! OMFG

I won't list alot more of skill that make THM essecial to have.

Stop hearing this guy he is nothing.

Talking a lot of crap for a guy who killed Ifrit for the 1st time less than a week ago. I didn't read him saying he was hardcore, just that he wanted endgame, and wanted to use the classes he likes, which is fair enough.

[Ronik]

I won't list alot more of skill that make THM essecial to have.

Stop hearing this guy he is nothing.

I'll keep it short and simple. I already have my action slots completely filled with relevant abilities which I have deemed important, I have no room for other abilities and I have no desire to waste my time leveling classes I do not intend to play for abilities I have no need for. Not everyone levels everything to near cap only to hop on the official forums and post poorly worded insults.

Your post is also completely and utterly irrelevant to the topic. Endgame content applies to anyone who is at the max rank, not just the the hardcore gamers.

[Sanlord]

EDIT: Forgive me for the joke ; ; that wasn't fun...

[Cale_Imrik]

Like randomly insulting people on forums because you spend more time grinding/getting PL'd/trolling forums so you can say "my numbers are higher than yours, so you're a noob!"?

[Sanlord]

Your post is also completely and utterly irrelevant to the topic. Endgame content applies to anyone who is at the max rank, not just the "hardc0r3" gamerz who ride the short bus to school (ie; you). Oh well, a mod can handle you better than I can.

Yes, I agree about me not contributing to the topic. Yes, My eng"r"ish suck, Yes, I suck, but No, I'm not that who ride a short bus to school. forgive me for the word of insult.

P.S. I tank Ifrit just fine with my ability set, and apparently do a better job than you do since I beat him a lot sooner than you did. Kindly gtfo.

and I was really waiting till they do something about DCing and the Lag inside ifrit battle.