Please Fix Bots!!!! in PVP. It's a Nightmare

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Since 4.0 people have been erroneously saying that removing XP will kill all interest in PvP.

But fact is, there was a dedicated, competitive, and actually well-mannered and friendly community before 4.0, before XP, and before so many issues that nearly destroyed us. We didn't care about XP, we did all our leveling in leveling content; we legitimately enjoyed PvP, for all the good and bad it had to offer then.

[Texa]

But fact is, there was a dedicated, competitive, and actually well-mannered and friendly community before 4.0,

Wasn't there such an excessive amounts of players telling other players to kill themselves among other forms of abusive language in pvp that SE disabled text chat in one of the pvp modes?

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Wasn't there such an excessive amounts of players telling other players to kill themselves among other forms of abusive language in pvp that SE disabled text chat in one of the pvp modes?

Aren't there players that abuse shout chat, kick people from dungeons for no reason, kick people just for playing SAM, early pull hunts, early pull bosses, and also do everything you said above in PvE as well? Why then is chat not disabled in PvE?

I can't speak for others, but I and most of the PvPers I know on Aether data center knew how to behave themselves. Sure, there were some bad apples, but no one so extreme. And for anyone who did act nasty, we just stomped them out in a match.

[Bahati]

Wasn't there such an excessive amounts of players telling other players to kill themselves among other forms of abusive language in pvp that SE disabled text chat in one of the pvp modes?

Yes and I agree these people need to be stomped out, I don't see why punishing everyone who steps into the feast is fair. SE is so light-handed with everything and yet when they do decide to crack down on something, we all get punished along with the people who can't play with dignity or handle their emotions.

In the matter of Rival Wings, I don't think bots are causing queue to be never ending in RW. They are annoying but they are in Frontlines as well and people still play that. People grew tired of healer camping the generator awful quick and would rather just run a quick Shatter for wolf marks.

[Darrcyphfeid]

But fact is, there was a dedicated, competitive, and actually well-mannered and friendly community before 4.0, before XP, and before so many issues that nearly destroyed us. We didn't care about XP, we did all our leveling in leveling content; we legitimately enjoyed PvP, for all the good and bad it had to offer then.

Damn straight. I did tons of PvP from shortly after I hit lv50 in 2.55 until the very end of HW, with 3.4~3.56 seeing me spend more time in PvP (queues) than in any other form of content. Combined. I did it because I enjoyed PvP - well, not so much Shatter as a game mode you understand, but still - and because both myself and my partner wanted the mounts/titles/glamour items.

I thoroughly despise everything about what PvP is now. I'm going into Rival Wings currently to work on getting the silly gorilla mount, but I won't touch Feast. Won't even consider Frontlines. Wouldn't queue for Seize or even be tempted by 72-man Secure (<3) at this point if they managed to bring them back. I'm beyond caring.

There's ultimately little difference between people that used to throw matches and/or refuse to cooperate for "lose faster 'cause muh Tomestones" and the current botters though, save that the latter are more plentiful. I'm a bit torn on removal of EXP, too. On the one hand I was furious when they announced it and, despite being omni-70 on two characters, have not earned a single point of experience on any job from PvP. On the other hand, the reason "my" PvP is dead is ultimately because of this push to appeal to a broader audience (overly simplified gameplay, yielding EXP), so if that were to now be removed it would maybe feel even worse. Like it was taken out back and shot in the stomach, left to die slowly and painful, for absolutely no reason at all.

Which is still the case, given how hit or miss queue times are. Haven't waited 3+ hours like I did during ARR and HW yet though!

Wasn't there such an excessive amounts of players telling other players to kill themselves among other forms of abusive language in pvp that SE disabled text chat in one of the pvp modes?

Tempers flared in The Feast, yes. But Frontlines, in my extensive experience, was far more lax.

Ranked modes tend to go that way though. And the removal of chat in Feast is still stupid.