The WOL and Mass Murder

[SannaR]

Anyone who's done the ARR smn questline has already had to deal with a family member who wanted us dead because of what happened with Ifrit. Course they were being manipulated by our buddies in black robes. Those garlean soilders? Most even if they're alone strike 1st. Also if they are 100% Garlean then most bets are off that they will lay down their weapons since even a certain person in the most recent 24 man says something like I'm a Garlean and don't want your help, but I cant stop you from coming along.

The only way I see people turning on us is if our friends in robes do some heavy common folk manipulations and since their leader seems to not to want to do that I don't see it happening. Remember more than once we have given succor to our Garlean enemies after huge fights so if their families ever get word that they're still alive and who helped bandage them up the seed for even a few lower ranked Garleans will know that we're not just mindless murdering machines.

[Delily]

This premise of this thread is a person trying to take his morality and view of murder and apply it to an environment that is not appropriate. Eorzea is a violent place. Even if a person is not an adventurer, he's going to need some basic combat skills because the realm is filled with monsters that want to kill him, or bandits seeking him. Beyond that, there's the constant threat of the beastmen and their primals as well as the Garlean military. Death is a part of the peoples' lives. No one is going to hold the WoL to account because no one considers him a murderer. If the beastmen or the Garlean Empire captured us, sure they'd execute us, but a prisoner of war and some form of judgement.

The conjurer quests dealt with this issue, since the girl wasn't willing to hurt anything. The conclusion was the elementals themselves mandated she has to, because she has to defend as well as heal. The DRK quests touched a bit on this, but it's not because we've killed people, its because we've had to kill so many people, since we're always fighting.

[Rokke]

The conjurer quests dealt with this issue, since the girl wasn't willing to hurt anything. The conclusion was the elementals themselves mandated she has to, because she has to defend as well as heal.

The WHM quests had nothing to do with damage vs. healing. The little girl wanted to heal using her own aether instead of drawing from nature. As that is lethal, you spend the entirety of the early quest line showing her that you can borrow form nature without damaging it :I


Haven't finished DRK quests yet, but so far its been my WoL being torn over being tired of helping everyone and yet still wanting to help everyone. Also moogle punching.

[BillyKaplan]

Haven't finished DRK quests yet

60-70 territory.

[Rokke]

60-70 territory.

So close and yet so far (only lv 62 atm. Juuuust starting Sid's misadventures in childrearing: the sequel lol)

[SendohJin]

But if anyone finds out HOW to reverse the process , the people who have lost loved ones because the prevailing method to deal with them has been to kill them would look back and realize they could have been saved and possibly harbor resentment. That's all I'm saying there.

Resentment for who though? We're not the only Adventurer out there killing tempered. The Grand Companies killed Tempered all the time. A regular person in Ul'dah who had a family member tempered has no way to track what happens to them. Even if this cure gets created there's no way this resentment by all of society is singularly focused on just our character. Maybe Thancred killed her tempered husband. one specific quest where one person actually sees you do it is plausible but that's no different than Asahi hating us for Zenos.

why would most of society blame us for it when we're not the first, last or only person out there killing tempered.

[Delily]

The WHM quests had nothing to do with damage vs. healing. The little girl wanted to heal using her own aether instead of drawing from nature. As that is lethal, you spend the entirety of the early quest line showing her that you can borrow form nature without damaging it :I


Haven't finished DRK quests yet, but so far its been my WoL being torn over being tired of helping everyone and yet still wanting to help everyone. Also moogle punching.

Fair enough, that seems right, I haven't done those quests in long time. Regardless, Eorzea is a violent place. No one is going to call us a murderer and hold us accountable because we have done nothing outside of society's norms.

[Delily]

Resentment for who though? We're not the only Adventurer out there killing tempered. The Grand Companies killed Tempered all the time. A regular person in Ul'dah who had a family member tempered has no way to track what happens to them. Even if this cure gets created there's no way this resentment by all of society is singularly focused on just our character. Maybe Thancred killed her tempered husband. one specific quest where one person actually sees you do it is plausible but that's no different than Asahi hating us for Zenos.

why would most of society blame us for it when we're not the first, last or only person out there killing tempered.

Even more, they may resent us, but the reality is the cure wasn't available at the time, and there's the greater threat of the primal killing a lot more people.

[BillyKaplan]

Even more, they may resent us, but the reality is the cure wasn't available at the time, and there's the greater threat of the primal killing a lot more people.

There's also the issue of who comes up with the cure. I'd sooner see them blaming whoever did for not coming up with it sooner, rather than the WoL. Also, despite what Y'shtola said in certain parts of the Warring Triad quests, we, the WoL, only killed tempered in self defense. That dirty part of the job was not only relegated to the others but actively kept a secret from us until they had no choice but to reveal it to us. Us getting blamed for killing them if a cure is ever found would require some serious reaching on the part of the person placing the blame, enough to make it nigh impossible that it's widespread

[Cilia]

Ultimately, the only people who will hold the Warrior of Light's actions against them are likely to be Garleans - specifically Imperials, at that. The Warrior of Light does have a lot of blood on their hands, but that comes from self-defense and protecting the weak and innocent, not malice. While it's nice to believe otherwise, sometimes you have to fight - and kill, if necessary - to bring about peace.

However, Garleans (spefic. Imperials) holding it against the Warrior of Light for killing Imperial soldiers during the "wars" in Stormblood is totally fair. Despite opposing a cruel and despotic viceroy (and Empire in general), the Domans and Eorzeans were technically the aggressors, even if the situation was rather complex when it came to the Eorzean front. One of the actors aboard the Prima Vista argues this point, stating that there must have been another way to resolve the conflicts - unfortunately, we can't discuss or debate the issue with him. (Like Gosetsu, I'd point out that "just following orders" isn't an excuse.)