The WOL and Mass Murder

[Krotoan]

But they told us that people tried to find a way to "cure" them but that they are not successfull. The problem is that they cant just simply put them away somewhere and nothing will happen. Give those people a bit of crystal or let them break free and suddenly you have another primal at your door..and unlike now where they have the WoL, a summon of another primal mostly meant the death of a huge amount of people. If this was truly a disease that just affected the person then they would have probably left them alive but the risk is way too high.

Tried and failed sure. I'm going to preface this with it really doesn't have to be the ONLY reason, but I'll say that just because someone tried and failed doesn't mean that nobody will ever try again. We've failed trying to cure many diseases in real life yet we keep trying. I'm not saying we should have kept the tempered around, there are a lot of good arguments for what we've done (killed them). But if anyone finds out HOW to reverse the process , the people who have lost loved ones because the prevailing method to deal with them has been to kill them would look back and realize they could have been saved and possibly harbor resentment. That's all I'm saying there.

[SendohJin]

But if anyone finds out HOW to reverse the process , the people who have lost loved ones because the prevailing method to deal with them has been to kill them would look back and realize they could have been saved and possibly harbor resentment. That's all I'm saying there.

Resentment for who though? We're not the only Adventurer out there killing tempered. The Grand Companies killed Tempered all the time. A regular person in Ul'dah who had a family member tempered has no way to track what happens to them. Even if this cure gets created there's no way this resentment by all of society is singularly focused on just our character. Maybe Thancred killed her tempered husband. one specific quest where one person actually sees you do it is plausible but that's no different than Asahi hating us for Zenos.

why would most of society blame us for it when we're not the first, last or only person out there killing tempered.

[Delily]

Resentment for who though? We're not the only Adventurer out there killing tempered. The Grand Companies killed Tempered all the time. A regular person in Ul'dah who had a family member tempered has no way to track what happens to them. Even if this cure gets created there's no way this resentment by all of society is singularly focused on just our character. Maybe Thancred killed her tempered husband. one specific quest where one person actually sees you do it is plausible but that's no different than Asahi hating us for Zenos.

why would most of society blame us for it when we're not the first, last or only person out there killing tempered.

Even more, they may resent us, but the reality is the cure wasn't available at the time, and there's the greater threat of the primal killing a lot more people.

[BillyKaplan]

Even more, they may resent us, but the reality is the cure wasn't available at the time, and there's the greater threat of the primal killing a lot more people.

There's also the issue of who comes up with the cure. I'd sooner see them blaming whoever did for not coming up with it sooner, rather than the WoL. Also, despite what Y'shtola said in certain parts of the Warring Triad quests, we, the WoL, only killed tempered in self defense. That dirty part of the job was not only relegated to the others but actively kept a secret from us until they had no choice but to reveal it to us. Us getting blamed for killing them if a cure is ever found would require some serious reaching on the part of the person placing the blame, enough to make it nigh impossible that it's widespread

[Ilenya]

That dirty part of the job was not only relegated to the others but actively kept a secret from us until they had no choice but to reveal it to us.

This isn't really true. Thancred did not have to tell us about it post Ifrit, he did because doing otherwise wasn't exactly fair to us. I feel like we could have never found out if he didn't bother us because it never actually comes up again, at least that I recall.

[BillyKaplan]

she refuses to learn the attack branch of conjury.

Because unless you know Red magic, you can't use your own aether to use stone and air attacks. As she's only barely a CNJ who refuses to borrow from nature, she locks herself out of those branches of the art, but it is not because she refuses to use offensive abilities.

This isn't really true. Thancred did not have to tell us about it post Ifrit, he did because doing otherwise wasn't exactly fair to us.

That's arguing semantics at this point.

I feel like we could have never found out if he didn't bother us because it never actually comes up again, at least that I recall.

It's so unmentioned that Y'shtola actually spews nonsense during the Warring Triad quest, saying that we knew all along and even helped with it!

[Ilenya]

It's so unmentioned that Y'shtola actually spews nonsense during the Warring Triad quest, saying that we knew all along and even helped with it!

If she did, I don't recall that. Either way Thancred didn't have to tell us, regardless on your semantics comment.

[Alleo]

Tried and failed sure.

And we dont even know if they are not still searching for a cure for this but in the mean time they cant just keep these people alive, at least not in a bigger amount. Also do we even know if they tell the relatives the truth? Eorzea is a harsh place to live in where death is probably a common thing. Who knows if they are even telling them that they had to be killed? Maybe they just tell them that they fell against the primals but fought bravely?

Yes people like to blame others for a death and maybe some will resent the ones that did it (which is not us btw..so still not sure why this is even a topic) but it does not change the fact that them being alive is too dangerous. I also believe that people might be understanding too, especially since they do live in this world unlike us who just play it. They might know of the danger and might have accepted that they will lose someone through this.

But what could be more beliveable is the idea of the WoL choosing war with Garlemald over peace out of personal hatred, and dragging Eorzea along with. They’ve been fighting Garlean troops for years without a sweat, who is to say that maybe, with their echo, they’re that prejudiced and overconfident enough to light a potential olive branch ablaze? If such a war is seen as more a spat between two echo users, would the rest of society view them so highly once the body bags start rolling in?

You mean the same WoL that helps an Garlean soldier after they just witness the shooting of the tower in Ala Mhigo? Or the same WoL that gives people like Laurentius a chance to change even though he helped Garlemald? Or the one that works with Cid or helps out a group of Garlean artists which also have pureblood Garleans on them? Or the one that goes into an alliance with Regula? We as the WoL do often give people second chances even though they dont deserve it and we on top of that even try to reason with enemies from time to time. I mean we completely stopped another blood bath by talking to that one conspricted group.

The WoL does not go out of it way to kill soliders for no reason at all. They also go out of its way to make peace in a 1000 year ongoing war. They try to save their friends too. They also completely held themselves back in 4.2. So sorry they either have to be pulled into a trap with wrong information to start something like that or they would be completely out of character. Because the WoL would never ever just start a complete war with one of the biggest nations in the world for nothing but personal hatred...which we also dont really show...(not sure where you get the personal hatred part from)

[Kallera]

The WoL does not go out of it way to kill soliders for no reason at all. They also go out of its way to make peace in a 1000 year ongoing war. They try to save their friends too. They also completely held themselves back in 4.2. So sorry they either have to be pulled into a trap with wrong information to start something like that or they would be completely out of character. Because the WoL would never ever just start a complete war with one of the biggest nations in the world for nothing but personal hatred...which we also dont really show...(not sure where you get the personal hatred part from)

I AM NOT SAYING IT WOULD BE TRUE. I am saying it would be believeable. How said belief could be set up is the stuff of plots and schemes. Not everyone is privy to the truth of every last deed we do.

I can understand the disconnect people have that the WoL, despite killing quite a lot of people, is still trusted by strangers and given a considerable amount of trust. I honestly don’t feel like continuing the msq, or at least not gung ho anymore to resume playing this sort of character.

[Delily]

I AM NOT SAYING IT WOULD BE TRUE. I am saying it would be believeable. How said belief could be set up is the stuff of plots and schemes. Not everyone is privy to the truth of every last deed we do.

No, it wouldn't. In the few times the WoL is given a voice and shows emotion, there is no indication of hatred for the Garlean Empire. They are an aggressor to Eorzea, and we fight them in that context. If they were to abandon their conquest, we'd stop fighting them. Our greater concern is the Asciancs.

I can understand the disconnect people have that the WoL, despite killing quite a lot of people, is still trusted by strangers and given a considerable amount of trust. I honestly don’t feel like continuing the msq, or at least not gung ho anymore to resume playing this sort of character.

There is not disconnect. None. The problem is with and your overly simplistic morality and naive idealism that killing people is always murder and is always bad. The WoL is not a "murderhobo". We don't go around Eorzea, Doma, or Ala Mhigo rampantly slaughtering people for no reason other than our own sadistic intentions. (That's Zenos). We have a mission, which is to stop the Ascians. In that regard, we've defeated the primals multiple times, been fundamental in freeing both Doma and Ala Mhigo, ended the war between the Dravians and Ishgard, rescued and freed countless people, and effectively stopped the Garlean invasion. The strangers trust us because we keep proving to them time and time again that we are worthy of their trust because the story is written such that everything we do, we have done in the service of Eorzea for the benefit of her people. We are constantly putting our live and sanity on the line for these people. This whole thing is like a bad CW drama in which the protagonist refuses to do what needs to be done. There are times that the only answer is to kill someone, or be killed. That is NOT murder.