The WOL and Mass Murder

[Yubelchen]

The WoL is just another person who does what they think is right.
The concept of being 'Heroes' is not really true, except to the puplic. We help where we can and want to, killing does involve that.

While one side sees us as 'Heroes', the other sees us a an enemy, no worse, as the Antagonist of thier story.
Its part of the story and we cant save everyoner without sacrificing others of fight those who are in our way and dont change thier ways.

[DeaconMoore]

Assuming that FFXIV runs that far, is it really murder in war? It's not like the WoL is going out and seeking things to kill (in MSQ, that is). I highly doubt that the WoL is going to end up like the Warriors of Darkness. And it isn't as if story-wise, the WoL cares about politics. Why should we be held accountable when it's the Eorzean Alliance and various factions throughout that pointed us, the gun, at particular enemies and shot it?

War is just state sanctioned murder. Do whatever mental gymnastics you need to sleep at night but at the end of the day you're still killing people all the same. Hitmen are still held accountable for their kills. They don't get a free ride because it was someone else that paid and told them to kill.

As the warrior of light you are a murderer for hire. Or a murderhobo for hire if you're still homeless.

You start off killing anything and everyone you're asked and paid too.

You eventually move up to killing Eikons summoned by desperate beast tribes trying to protect themselves and their territory from the Eorzeans predations.

Later on in Ishgard you assassinate the rightful ruler and help install a new state that supports your Eorzean paymasters.

Then taking advantage of the situation on Balsaurs Wall launch an invasion of Ala Mhigo killing anything that opposed you.

The only negotiations the warrior of light seems interested in is in gathering soldiers to fight in their wars. In Ala Mhigo you recruit local insurgents to be the pr face of your "liberation" invasion. In Doma you find a lack of local insurgents and so you take advantage of the customs of the Steppe people to conscript them into your wars and in doing mark them as enemies of the empire.

[AngelCheese77]

In truth, I don't think of myself as the WoL. I guess cause it just doesn't make sense that every other person I see is one too.

But in that same regard ...

I don't feel any quest in the MSQ for example, is anything in regards to mass murder. I mean ... some of those fetch quests I wanna murder the NPC.

[Musashidon]

War is just state sanctioned murder.

killing anything? i don't remember us every killing any civilians or children.

the rightful ruler? oh yea the one that lied and was part of a 1000 year war that did more damage than we ever will guess we should have left all well enough alone because killing evil people is wrong might as well let them live to kill because at least i wouldn't have killed anyone.

the garleans are on stolen soil and are still tormenting the places they have taken control of, we are in no way killing good people and saying well they are good in their eyes doesn't make it super evil all of a sudden.

morally we are the good guys until we go into the garlean country itself and start killing people there aka invading and not repelling.

you don't blame someone for defending themselves when someone is trying to steal from them/hurt them.

[Galgarion]

The only people my Warrior of Light has ever killed, all swung at her first.

[SenorPatty]

The only people my Warrior of Light has ever killed, all swung at her first.

I like how people conveniently forget this.

[Alacran]

War is just state sanctioned murder. Do whatever mental gymnastics you need to sleep at night but at the end of the day you're still killing people all the same. Hitmen are still held accountable for their kills. They don't get a free ride because it was someone else that paid and told them to kill.

As the warrior of light you are a murderer for hire. Or a murderhobo for hire if you're still homeless.

You start off killing anything and everyone you're asked and paid too.

You eventually move up to killing Eikons summoned by desperate beast tribes trying to protect themselves and their territory from the Eorzeans predations.

Later on in Ishgard you assassinate the rightful ruler and help install a new state that supports your Eorzean paymasters.

Then taking advantage of the situation on Balsaurs Wall launch an invasion of Ala Mhigo killing anything that opposed you.

The only negotiations the warrior of light seems interested in is in gathering soldiers to fight in their wars. In Ala Mhigo you recruit local insurgents to be the pr face of your "liberation" invasion. In Doma you find a lack of local insurgents and so you take advantage of the customs of the Steppe people to conscript them into your wars and in doing mark them as enemies of the empire.

Sanctioned murder huh? That goes for the pirates abuducting young girls in Sastasha one of them a young Miqote girl crying to her parents asking what she did wrong to deserve her fate, the cultist we stopped in the Tam-Tara Deepcroft. Perhaps we could have turned a blind eye to Ifrit tempering people, you can still see their black eyes and ashen skin in Thanaln should you want to be reminded of what you didn't stop. Look at what the Dark Knight represents and the corruption run rampant before we got there.

Dark Knight lore:

In the year 960 of the Sixth Astral Era, a commoner by the name of Tryphaniel the Unshod was granted knighthood for acts of valour upon the battlefield. A young man with an unwavering sense of justice, Tyrphaniel’s desire to champion the cause of the lowborn was undiluted by his entrance into the privileged world of the nobility. It was this same moral fortitude that bid him trail after clergyman after witnessing the robed figure drag a squirming child from the alleys of the Brume. The knight’s suspicions were confirmed when he entered the secluded domicile of the priest only to find him committing unspeakable acts upon the body of the abducted waif. Noticing his unexpected visitor, the clergyman attempted to explain away his vile actions as a form of “exorcism”, but the incensed Tryphaniel drew his sword without hesitation, and answered the babbled excuses with a single, fatal blow.

Rather than praise his heroism, however, the knight’s peers condemned him for slaying a holy member of the church. He was forced to defend his life in a trial by combat, but though he survived, it was decreed that he would be stripped of his knighthood. Unflinching in the face of accusations that he had fallen to darkness, Tryphaniel roared that he would gladly surrender a title that required him to turn a blind eye to a child’s suffering. He cast aside his crested shield - the symbol of his station - and continued his crusade for the commonfolk with no thought or fear for what others held taboo. His righteous deeds inspired some courageous few to embrace the path of the forbidden, and thus the legacy of the dark knight was born.

You need only recall For all the nights to come. (https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/F...Nights_to_Come) Tell that to the liberated comfort women of Ala Mhigo, You need only look to Yotsuyu became after being sold to the pleasure houses in Doma, during the occupation from Garlemald.

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Paint your picture however you want but know what the paint is made with.
Sanctioned murder? I call it Justice.

[Galgarion]

War is just state sanctioned murder. Do whatever mental gymnastics you need to sleep at night but at the end of the day you're still killing people all the same. Hitmen are still held accountable for their kills. They don't get a free ride because it was someone else that paid and told them to kill.

That is adorable. Are you forgetting the part where the Garleans were going to invade your nation, kill every beastman they could stick a spear in no matter their innocence, and organize beatings and rape for anyone who didn't tow the line? They were going to throw away your customs, erase your history, and destroy your religions. But no, no, both sides are equally bad, m'kay you guys? LOL@ at an alliance of nations engaging in a defensive action against a professional army being the same as a hitman shooting someone in the back of their head and hiding the corpse in a refrigerator.

As the warrior of light you are a murderer for hire. Or a murderhobo for hire if you're still homeless. You start off killing anything and everyone you're asked and paid too.

Defending merchants and homesteaders, removing nuisance beasts, defending yourself against cultists, pirates, and bandits, fighting organized crime, saving people from being eaten by DEMONS--

You eventually move up to killing Eikons summoned by desperate beast tribes trying to protect themselves and their territory from the Eorzeans predations.

Eikons being the equivalent of bringing atomic weaponry to a rock fight. Please note though, that Limsa Lominsa had no choice but to expand into Kobold territory because the Sahagin drowned all the fertile land on their side of the map, and none of the other tribes are being encroached on, so what's their excuse for stealing crystals, kidnapping citizens, and summoning primals? Oh. right. They just like doing it.

Later on in Ishgard you assassinate the rightful ruler and help install a new state that supports your Eorzean paymasters.

Later on, we killed another Primal that was going to aggressively expand the borders of Ishgard by killing anyone that wouldn't conform to its religious beliefs.

Then taking advantage of the situation on Balsaurs Wall launch an invasion of Ala Mhigo killing anything that opposed you.

Then another idiot caused a huge mess with a primal that would have given the Garlean Empire an excuse to launch another disastrous invasion that would have led to the deaths of thousands of people using Ala Mhigo as a staging ground, so we headed them off for once and in so doing liberated two nations: the first nation being a former member of the alliance where the people were being starved, raped, and overworked as well as occasionally hunted for sport by a psychopathic prince, and the other being a place where genocide was regularly committed against the people for the kinky enjoyment of a sadomasochist.

The only negotiations the warrior of light seems interested in is in gathering soldiers to fight in their wars. In Ala Mhigo you recruit local insurgents to be the pr face of your "liberation" invasion. In Doma you find a lack of local insurgents and so you take advantage of the customs of the Steppe people to conscript them into your wars and in doing mark them as enemies of the empire.

1. "Hey guys, I heard you've had it up to here with being tortured, starved, raped, and murdered. I can help you out with that but I need you to back me up, if that's cool?"

2. The Garleans attacked a sacred Xaela ritual and tried to kill the leadership of every major clan in one fell swoop. Even if you didn't need them for your army, they were still going to march west and carve themselves some buckethead giblets. You just happened to give them a target that maximized the damage they already wanted to cause.

[Dualgunner]

Murder is murder.

Murder *is* murder, but killing is not murder. Murder defined as "The unlawful premeditated killing of another" by Google. Given legal cause means it's no longer unlawful. In self-defense means it's not premeditated.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Man, Eureka needs to hurry up an get here. People got WAAAAY too much time on their hands when they start overthinking this. . .