Please remove main scenario dungeon restriction when doing it undersized

[Vhailor]

My point still stand. It is not because sprouts need vets than it was designed for vets. Cutscenes are for new players and they should have the right to enjoy it. The previous system made it impossible for them to enjoy it live with boss battle. Roulettes Reward are designed for vets to do old contents to help sprout. Please change reward and not content.

Personally, I'm not sure it's possible for SE to offer sufficient rewards for this, barring something truly ludicrous. In the time it takes to run a single Roulette for MSQ, someone can easily run 2-3 Level 70 dungeons. Are they going to start offering a couple of hundred Creation Tomestones alongside 50+ Mendacity? That would probably do the trick, but oof.

I also would argue for a return to the old system (over this current edition). I disagree with your reasoning, or would argue my position, based on two points.

(1) This change impacts a tiny minority of the player base. The vast majority of players have already cleared the storyline at least once. Only brand-new subscribers, or the relative few who subscribed but abandoned XIV prior to the MSQ missions, will ever benefit from this. Was it really worth rocking the boat this badly? SE had to spend time to develop this change; they're now having to pay attention to nontrivial queue impacts - and even that might not even work. This is one of those points in time when a half-assed solution simply doesn't make sense. Had this been timed for the launch of a new expansion, sure, I could maybe see an argument (particularly if the measure was temporary). Right now, though? Either fix it the real way (make it a solo instance and/or relocate the cutscenes), or don't touch it.

(2) The previous system did not make it impossible for new players to enjoy the MSQ the way it was originally intended. It simply made it impossible to do so using the Duty Finder. Yet, every day, there are plenty of Linkshells advertising themselves to players of all skill levels. There's also the Party Finder. Players have always had options. All SE really had to do was warn people; something like "due to the nature of these missions, Duty Finder is not likely to provide the recommended experience." Granted, that would involve admitting fairly publicly that they f***ed the pooch for these missions, but it's not like it isn't obvious to 99% of the existing player base. Either way, though, people have always had options. To act as if they were compelled to join the content through the DF is wrong.

[Krotoan]

(1) This change impacts a tiny minority of the player base. The vast majority of players have already cleared the storyline at least once. Only brand-new subscribers, or the relative few who subscribed but abandoned XIV prior to the MSQ missions, will ever benefit from this. Was it really worth rocking the boat this badly? SE had to spend time to develop this change; they're now having to pay attention to nontrivial queue impacts - and even that might not even work. This is one of those points in time when a
half-assed solution simply doesn't make sense. Had this been timed for the launch of a new expansion, sure, I could maybe see an argument (particularly if the measure was temporary). Right now, though? Either fix it the real way (make it a solo instance and/or relocate the cutscenes), or don't touch it.

And will affect the same tiny amount of people making alts the same. Neither sides have numbers posted so I'm going to say neither can be confirmed. The rest only cared about the rewards and can leave it if they want, there are many options for them. Make a huge change or nothing isn't a great argument. Small adjustments cost them much less and can be tweaked incrementally. Large investments are a boon or bust situation.

(2) The previous system did not make it impossible for new players to enjoy the MSQ the way it was originally intended. It simply made it impossible to do so using the Duty Finder. Yet, every day, there are plenty of Linkshells advertising themselves to players of all skill levels. There's also the Party Finder. Players have always had options. All SE really had to do was warn people; something like "due to the nature of these missions, Duty Finder is not likely to provide the recommended experience." Granted, that would involve admitting fairly publicly that they f***ed the pooch for these missions, but it's not like it isn't obvious to 99% of the existing player base. Either way, though, people have always had options. To act as if they were compelled to join the content through the DF is wrong.

.. They were, as you have demonstrated with the lack of warning, compelled. Someone who loaded up the game and just played through it only had instructions to use the DF. Nobody is saying they didn't have options, just they had very little guidance toward those options.

[BillyKaplan]

.. They were, as you have demonstrated with the lack of warning, compelled. Someone who loaded up the game and just played through it only had instructions to use the DF. Nobody is saying they didn't have options, just they had very little guidance toward those options.

Which is seriously all on SE, especially when you realize how close to that level extreme trials are, and oh gosh, the Coils. No one in the game teaches you how to use the Party Finder even though it's a really useful tool for various situations. Sprouts knowing how to put up a pf and getting all those good souls who say they'll help first timers, as well as other first timers, would've been a huge boon to all involved and would've been a useful skill in their skillset besides.

[Krotoan]

Which is seriously all on SE, especially when you realize how close to that level extreme trials are, and oh gosh, the Coils. No one in the game teaches you how to use the Party Finder even though it's a really useful tool for various situations. Sprouts knowing how to put up a pf and getting all those good souls who say they'll help first timers, as well as other first timers, would've been a huge boon to all involved and would've been a useful skill in their skillset besides.

No arguments there. PF is a very useful tool with very little introduction.