Please remove main scenario dungeon restriction when doing it undersized

[KokoChibata]

When I ran castrum for the first time I was kicked from around 10 groups for watching the CS. People are impatient and rude even after stating if you are new and want to watch the CS. Having to watch the CS by force is SE saying “stop being aholes”.

[BillyKaplan]

When I ran castrum for the first time I was kicked from around 10 groups for watching the CS. People are impatient and rude even after stating if you are new and want to watch the CS. Having to watch the CS by force is SE saying “stop being aholes”.

Two wrongs don't make a right. No one's saying the way things were was fine, but this is stupid. And two weeks in, SE is already upping the awards, so that should tell everyone everything there is to know.

[Vstarstruck]

Two wrongs don't make a right. No one's saying the way things were was fine, but this is stupid. And two weeks in, SE is already upping the awards, so that should tell everyone everything there is to know.

+1

I've never seen anyone kicked for watching cutscenes.

The only time it's even brought up in my experience is people acting high and mighty for the newbie like they'll get some action tonight over doing it.

Same here, the only other situation i seen where it might of been a possibility of them simply watching CS is that they are standing at the entrance or taking too long. Then someone asks are you there or afk? about 5 mins later without a reply a vote is thrown.

[Jijifli]

When I ran castrum for the first time I was kicked from around 10 groups for watching the CS. People are impatient and rude even after stating if you are new and want to watch the CS. Having to watch the CS by force is SE saying “stop being aholes”.

I've never seen anyone kicked for watching cutscenes.

The only time it's even brought up in my experience is people acting high and mighty for the newbie like they'll get some action tonight over doing it.

[Hestzhyen]

Do people see "MSQ Roulette" and "cutscenes" and ignore everything else to complain about how evil veteran players are to newbies now?

Absolutely get rid of the must-watch restriction when people go in as undersized. If someone wants a guaranteed "as intended" experience, they now have the MSQ Roulette. If someone just wants to get through the dungeons without the hassle of being forced to watch the story, then by God let them do it. Not all new players are interested in the story and there are plenty of people with alts that have been through the story on their main already.

[Vstarstruck]

Do people see "MSQ Roulette" and "cutscenes" and ignore everything else to complain about how evil veteran players are to newbies now?

Absolutely get rid of the must-watch restriction when people go in as undersized. If someone wants a guaranteed "as intended" experience, they now have the MSQ Roulette. If someone just wants to get through the dungeons without the hassle of being forced to watch the story, then by God let them do it. Not all new players are interested in the story and there are plenty of people with alts that have been through the story on their main already.

They need to revert to how it used to be at least in undersized/ preform min ilevel options, and inn. If they can't split the different styles and need go with one, it should be the way it was before 4.2. I see no reason at all to change something this old so late outside making them solo.

[Krotoan]

Do people see "MSQ Roulette" and "cutscenes" and ignore everything else to complain about how evil veteran players are to newbies now?

Absolutely get rid of the must-watch restriction when people go in as undersized. If someone wants a guaranteed "as intended" experience, they now have the MSQ Roulette. If someone just wants to get through the dungeons without the hassle of being forced to watch the story, then by God let them do it. Not all new players are interested in the story and there are plenty of people with alts that have been through the story on their main already.

By all means let this be a choice, but would you be willing to wait for other content for this to be a choice? Delay Eureka for another patch? I agree that , if possible, the choice to do the quick run or a full run when queuing for a pre-built party should be entirely up to the makers of the party and SHOULD have been part of the change, but it was likely a choice of resource management or even if it wasn't it would have to be a consideration going forward. Do you think production time would have been better spent on making this extra option and would you be ok with delaying actual current content for this to be implemented?

[Vstarstruck]

By all means let this be a choice, but would you be willing to wait for other content for this to be a choice? Delay Eureka for another patch? I agree that , if possible, the choice to do the quick run or a full run when queuing for a pre-built party should be entirely up to the makers of the party and SHOULD have been part of the change, but it was likely a choice of resource management or even if it wasn't it would have to be a consideration going forward. Do you think production time would have been better spent on making this extra option and would you be ok with delaying actual current content for this to be implemented?

then they shouldn't of changed it at all, why are you defending this? If forcing people to view cutscenes is the reason Eureka is delayed, it makes it an even bigger joke

[JaakRoot]

I am one of the newbie that enjoyed the change and explained why in another post before.

I don't understand why people call us ''white knights'' for defending this. To be white knight, you need to defend a cause that it is obliviously opposite of what you are personally thinking and just defend for the lulz or because everything SE do is blessed by god. I liked the change very much and some other people too. We are defending another side of how to play this game which should be heard as well as yours.

However, I totally agree that they did a mistake putting cutscenes in the first place during a duty. I am not trying to defend that and I would be called white knight if. They probably did not foresee this problem back then. Now they need to correct their mistakes and choose which side the please: Newbies or Vets. They also need to think about technical and resources constraints. I am defending their choice to try to make it right for the side of new players.

I mean I can see clearly their thinking: These duties are for Newbies only, let please the noobs first so they can at least experience, somewhat,a real Final Fantasy ENDING which is our brand signature with a change that do not take us too much time to do (I am guessing) as it does not concerns the majority of the playerbase anyway. We will probably have some complaints and it will make MSQ roulette queue longer, we will increase the rewards and see how it goes. Let focus on pleasing vets with end game contents (Eureka seems the talk on forum, dunno what it is lol ) instead of 2 hours of CSs MSQ .....

For alts and noobs that want to skip unsync ( dont't think it is a majority really ....), well too bad, but we will decide to make them loose 2 hours of their life watching our cutscenes (because it is too long to change ? if it is an easy fix, then they would have done it wouldn't they ?)... If they loose subscription because of this which represent less than 1% of the game life duration, this subscription would not last long anyway. They won mine for sure.

My 2 cents

[BillyKaplan]

These duties are for Newbies only

I'm not even going into how people with alts break this statement to smitherins, or how some newbies don't give half a damn about cutscenes, I'll stay in the comfort zone of how those duties wouldn't have even popped in the first place without veterans running the roulette. You can say it's for Newbies all you want, the fact remains those dungeons need vets queueing into them for the Newbies to even get in in the first place.

it does not concerns the majority of the playerbase anyway.

Any change in MSQ by definition affects every last person who hasn't been through that MSQ yet. A lot of us vets have alts who need to go through that. And that's besides the dangerous precedent set by introducing unskippable cutscenes - though as they themselves admitted that no other content followed this design as it was bad, maybe we're safe on that front. One can only hope

If they loose subscription because of this which represent less than 1% of the game life duration, this subscription would not last long anyway.

Baseless. People with alts have the potential to play more because when they're done on their main they can switch over instead of play something else. And then there's the simple fact that people who have been here longer have had more time to see SE screw up on this, and this, and that. Don't think about this as the thing they ubsubbed for and nothing else, think about this as the straw that broke the camel's back as they're tired of SE's tone-deafness.