Please remove main scenario dungeon restriction when doing it undersized

[BillyKaplan]

These duties are for Newbies only

I'm not even going into how people with alts break this statement to smitherins, or how some newbies don't give half a damn about cutscenes, I'll stay in the comfort zone of how those duties wouldn't have even popped in the first place without veterans running the roulette. You can say it's for Newbies all you want, the fact remains those dungeons need vets queueing into them for the Newbies to even get in in the first place.

it does not concerns the majority of the playerbase anyway.

Any change in MSQ by definition affects every last person who hasn't been through that MSQ yet. A lot of us vets have alts who need to go through that. And that's besides the dangerous precedent set by introducing unskippable cutscenes - though as they themselves admitted that no other content followed this design as it was bad, maybe we're safe on that front. One can only hope

If they loose subscription because of this which represent less than 1% of the game life duration, this subscription would not last long anyway.

Baseless. People with alts have the potential to play more because when they're done on their main they can switch over instead of play something else. And then there's the simple fact that people who have been here longer have had more time to see SE screw up on this, and this, and that. Don't think about this as the thing they ubsubbed for and nothing else, think about this as the straw that broke the camel's back as they're tired of SE's tone-deafness.

[JaakRoot]

if this is the situation then 4.2's change should never have happened as it is pleasing a very tiny minority. It only helps a select few once, you shouldn't be making a change with that limited effect to begin with.

Proof ? I got report of Queue getting longer and queue remaining the same at the same rate in this forum. We don't have stats so I don't think we can use this as argument. Maybe the change was easy to do so they did it to please this ''minority'' ( again, stats ?) to keep the game somewhat full and relevant ? In my eyes, it is one of the most important thing to do for an FF game.

All they had to do was teach people how to use the PF better, you do not force people to watch CS in a public setting, if you want a fast matchmaking, you get behind the fast clear too. You give grown adults choices and they decide how to conduct themselves, this is unneeded over the top babying that a player may only enjoy once (do realize not all new players wants to view them.)

By your meaning, MSQ roulette or other roulette should have never existed in the first place. I would say then: if you want whatever you want, go get a PF like in old MMO where finding a group in front of dungeons was actually a real thing. I wouldn't mind personally as I miss the old time. But we all know were most of the MMO industry headed. It is statically good enough proof to understand SE decision to baby sit their players to follow the trend. SE did a compromise then by doing this change for newer player which is still in the right direction.

It is a bigger majority then people caring about these cutscenes. Proof? the queues got longer with less people in them

if really the queue is longer (again stats ?) because the majority does not queue anymore, the majority cannot consist of alts and noobs who wants to skip because they are part of the queue actually .... The majority would be the vets who think the time/reward ratio is not good enough for this roulette.

The problem lies in the reward as it was designed for vets to make them do old contents to help sprouts. Cutscenes were designed for sprouts to enjoy, not vets so it should not be taken away from them to please duty roulette vets. If they really need to change something, change it on the reward for vets, not on the content for sprouts. If you start complaining on the CSs being too long, how about also complaining about roulette leveling lvl 16 being too long too. Let skip it directly to the boss so we can get instant experience .... I mean I already did Sastacha more than 10 times, me mashing 2 buttons to clear the dungeon is not better than watching 20 min CSs.

TL;DR : Please change the rewards for Vets, don't touch the contents for sprout.

[Sida]

To me it seems that making the cutscenes unskibbaple was a knee jerk reaction to a year's long debate/complain about how new players are unable to watch them. If it's that, they can find tune it later and what would be reasonable would be to allow the skipping for preformed parties (be it unsynced or not). After all premade parties already have some leeway on how to perform content, such as no item level restrictions or class restrictions. Want to try savage in party of 8 bards in swimsuits, go for it (it might not be awfully practical though). In such party, the cutscene skipping debate should be social question, not technical one, since it's reasonable to assume everyone taking part into it can be on the same page about which way to go before entering the duty.

The roulette limitation aside, what people ask here is the skipping being possible for premade parties where, again, people can agree between themselves how fast to run.

[JaakRoot]

I'm not even going into how people with alts break this statement to smitherins, or how some newbies don't give half a damn about cutscenes, I'll stay in the comfort zone of how those duties wouldn't have even popped in the first place without veterans running the roulette. You can say it's for Newbies all you want, the fact remains those dungeons need vets queueing into them for the Newbies to even get in in the first place.

My point still stand. It is not because sprouts need vets than it was designed for vets. Cutscenes are for new players and they should have the right to enjoy it. The previous system made it impossible for them to enjoy it live with boss battle. Roulettes Reward are designed for vets to do old contents to help sprout. Please change reward and not content.

Any change in MSQ by definition affects every last person who hasn't been through that MSQ yet. A lot of us vets have alts who need to go through that. And that's besides the dangerous precedent set by introducing unskippable cutscenes - though as they themselves admitted that no other content followed this design as it was bad, maybe we're safe on that front. One can only hope

I agree with the bad design and they acknowledged it. It seems they are trying not to do it again now. But they are still left with these 2 duties and it seems it is quite troublesome for them to make huge change. I guess they made a choice by choosing sprouts over alts and sprouts skipping CSs. And for alts, If I were to do an alt, it would not be the 2 hours CSs of Prae over the 400 ++ mandatory MSQ quest that would change a thing. Same for the noobs who wants to skip.

Don't think about this as the thing they ubsubbed for and nothing else, think about this as the straw that broke the camel's back as they're tired of SE's tone-deafness.

It kinda go along with my point. People won't unsubscribe just because of this but an accumulation of bad SE decisions. If they were to unsubscribe just because of only this, it looks to me that it was not a strong loyal customer anyway. Instead, they pleased some new players which has potential for growing long term.

I don't understand why it is such a huge deal over this. It is the FINALE of ARR, let keep it epic for new players! The game have now way more contents for vets and alts to do than pleasing them by cutting 2 hours of CSs. Let's focus on end game if it it is too difficult to create a solo duty. We are really nitpicking on this but maybe as you said, it is a sign of a more general tiredness for vets of SE bad decisions over other contents. It should not however affect this CSs change.

[Jxnibbles]

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The problem with buffing rewards is it will cause the same type of situation to occur. You can easily get a small premade of 5 players queue into the roulette all 5 of you disconnect mid cs, Then just log back in and save a bunch of minutes then its just zergfest like usual and who is going to kick the 5man premade who is now going to abuse this loophole?

New players obviously were complaining about being left behind.. It won't happen every run but people will go this far if it meant saving a good chunk of time. Also while we are on this not every new player wanted to watch the cutscenes.

As for the queue times being increased.. I don't know I had queues as short as five minutes and as long as a hour of course I never accepted the queue because the roulette is not worth my time.. I would think the we will be buffing rewards shows the roulette has had some negative impact since 4.2.

[BillyKaplan]

I don't understand why it is such a huge deal over this. It is the FINALE of ARR, let keep it epic for new players!

You're again systematically ignore the newbies, legit and honest first timers who couldn't care less about the plot and the story and only want to power through it. Also we've had some of those same legit, honest newbies who complained about the unskippable cutscenes.
You know what also would've made it epic? All the more so, probably? Making it a solo instance with some NPCs. Nowadays they more than have the tech for it. But they're hiding behind the excuse of it being old content so they won't revisit it (and this was what, exactly? lmao), and most likely will have to fight a mountain of horrible legacy code so they'd sooner make this change and up the awards until people actually run the roulette again. People need to stop acting like this was the only possible way to address this issue, especially after how long it's been in existence.

[Altena]

I don't understand why they didn't just put barricades up for the boss fights and open them once everyone has finished the cutscenes.

That way you could skip if you want, but you can't run ahead and kill the final boss before poor newbie gets out of their 2nd cutscene.

Alternatively just steal the AI that's used for squadrons and toss in some random GC soldiers in there that fill the roles.

[RokkuEkkusu]

As far as the Main Scenario Roulette goes since people want to bring it up again, more gil, experience, and tomes for yours truly with the upped rewards and all. And I sure as heaven and hell ain't putting said rewards to waste and/or take them for granted. (I'll also get to do some fun chatting with the party, my fc, linkshells, and various discord channels during the cutscenes.)

[Gaining a few levels and a little extra exp at level 50-51 in Main Scenario Roulette ain't much to sneeze at for those who find Aurum Vale and/or Dusk Vigil atrocious.]

I do agree on removing the restriction undersized and/or a full premade though. There should be no reason why 8 people who are not new should be viewing the same cutscenes (unless all 8 members are as sociable as I am during cutscenes, which is HIGHLY unlikely.)

[JaakRoot]

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I did not forget about them and I respect their way of playing the game. But there are also us, legit and honest first timers, who wants to watch it. Who are the biggest whiner ? I guess my group so SE decided that new players that wanted to see CSs were more important than them. Maybe they thought that they already force the whole MSQ to unlock every content. so they did not see the point arguing about 2 hours of CSs. And for really power leveling needy people, Master Card + jump potion for more cash in their pocket.

I totally agree with the solo duty. I don't know about their resources or constraint though. Maybe we are cash cows and SE is laughing at us right now. I only can say that what they did was good for me and I enjoyed what I paid for which seems to be unthinkable for some.

[BillyKaplan]

But there are also us, legit and honest first timers, who wants to watch it.

Who are, in the grander scheme of things, seem to be the minority absurdly, especially with how many people on the forums already said they wouldn't run it again on the roulette lmao.

I totally agree with the solo duty.

Right on.

Maybe we are cash cows and SE is laughing at us right now.

No maybe about it.