Troubles with Scholar

[Gokki]

please tell me what troubles are you talking about because right now I see White mage and Astro having the most problems

I'm having no issues with WHM and i'm sticking with it. It's Scholar that has way too many buttons, and i'm unable to address them through macros.

[Nerfworthy]

Before I started using an MMO mouse with 12 buttons, I had the same issue with SCH and button bloat. Now that I have my mouse, SCH is my favorite job to play because of complexity and fairy management. I think SCH is fine, the only adjustment I'd like to see is for the fairies to be a bit more responsive to my commands lol

[Vyriah]

Before I started using an MMO mouse with 12 buttons, I had the same issue with SCH and button bloat. Now that I have my mouse, SCH is my favorite job to play because of complexity and fairy management. I think SCH is fine, the only adjustment I'd like to see is for the fairies to be a bit more responsive to my commands lol

That's great and all, but isn't having to buy material just to play the job the best proof possible that the job is not fine at all ?

[RubixCube]

I would argue that if the complexity of the job is proving difficult for you, it may be best to consider one of the other two healing classes. I currently play SCH as my main, have done since I joined, and am used to managing the various aspects of the class, keeping Eos on obey, managing my aether, balancing DPS and applying mitigation and healing where necessary. I don't use macros and I do not have a fancy mmo mouse to manage my heals, but I heal perfectly well and play SCH effectively in end game content. It does require a lot of multitasking and management, but that is an element and facet of the class. It is something to manage and it is something that I, personally, enjoy managing.


Having since tried WHM and AST, I can understand that it is a bit of a step up in terms of the number of things to press. WHM is fairly straight forward in terms of the spells available (to the point that moving from SCH to WHM was almost boring), whilst AST is a lot closer to SCH's complexity (in terms of the number of options - not talking about class difficulty here) but still has less to manage. It is something that you will grow comfortable with and will learn to manage as you play the class more. And tbh, relying on macros can make you slow and less effective than if you retained control over those abilities. As an example, I consistently revive team players quicker than other healers in my parties because I do not have to spam resurrect until my macro has detected I'm trying to swiftcast it. I manually click.

On the hotbar front, I have four. One for abilities, one for heal spells, one for DPS, and one for Eos/Selene's abilities. Two is definitely not sufficient for SCH.

That's great and all, but isn't having to buy material just to play the job the best proof possible that the job is not fine at all ?

As said above, an mmo mouse is not necessary to manage SCH well. I use an ordinary mouse and hotkeys and am able to play as SCH just fine.

[Vyriah]

As said above, an mmo mouse is not necessary to manage SCH well. I use an ordinary mouse and hotkeys and am able to play as SCH just fine.

I use an ordinary supermarket mouse and performed above average with SCH, so this is not the point at all.

But the fact that every comes to those condenscending "this is too hard for you" is just another tell on how this job doesn't work. Especially how not on fo those remarks actually really get the fact that buton bloat. Thing is, one you get to a certain point having all those OGCD with only instant DoTs just hinder proper play for no reason at all. And buffs alignement and blablabla.

What about actually reading what is written here ?
Merging skills via stances changing won't even make the job easier, as it'll add a decision making based arround using certain type of spells will lock away the other. Ergonomy is more important that being able to boast about how much key you can press mid-fight.

[Gokki]

if a job requires me to stare at the action bars instead of the fight i avoid it. The same happens with red and black mage, i'd love to play them and they're my favorite flavour-wise (i always play mages in games) but they're just too annoying to play. I CAN be good at them but staring at buttons and do hand gymnastics is not what i consider fun gameplay. Thank you everyone for the suggestions but in the end it just doesn't work.

[lulunami]

That's great and all, but isn't having to buy material just to play the job the best proof possible that the job is not fine at all ?

When I played Scholar, I just used a typical first-person shooter mouse (pretty much all the gaming mice from Logitech, Steelseries, Razer, Zowie, Final Mouse, etc.) as my habits could not adjust to using an MMO mouse. MMO mice are also just too heavy for me to play over a long period of time since I play at low sensitivity mouse settings (400-800 dpi).

Scholar has the most buttons out of any job in the game if I remember correctly. I think this complexity should be embraced as streamlining every job too much will make the game too boring to play for advanced players.

[NobleWinter]

I didn't realize I was in what appears to be the minority using a controller to play Sch. I have one cross hotnbar for healing and one for doing damage with a third shared bar that I use for every class for things like Limit Breaks and summoning mounts etc. I will say I have quite a few macros though. Sacred Soil is tied to Fey Covenant. Largesse and Emergency Tactics are combined. Deployment and Chain Stratagem. Rouse and Whispering Dawn... Now that I think about it Sch does require a lot of work. I learned how to macro just so I could play the class. That doesn't seem very intuitive or user friendly at all.

[Vyriah]

Scholar has the most buttons out of any job in the game if I remember correctly. I think this complexity should be embraced as streamlining every job too much will make the game too boring to play for advanced players.

SMN would have arroud the same number if using pet skills was that rewarding.
Tanks also have a lot of skills and PLD isn't really the most deep and complex class to play. NIN or MCH doesn't have that much boutton on the other hand.

It's not about just having a lot of option, it's also about those option making sense. It's about how you can use them. Right now, there's few you can't handle as SCH by pressing indo or whispering down. And if it's enough, eh, succor was buffed.
It's not the best way to play ? Sure, but it works enough and if you press chain stratagem every 2 minute no one would care about it.

Before making SCH a class really more complex than just unintuitive, it should first be a class with tools that are made for the current and not how the game was meant to play 2 or 4 years ago. All those SCH skills are just different options from different games dopped on top of each other and right now it's a getting a bit shacky. Once again, just watch the way it was tuned in SB : it lost something like a third of it gameplay and was nerfed and a lot of point only to get absurd level of ptency buff just behind.

In 4.0, everyone seemed to agree that it was OP because good players could keep 100% cleric stance uptime, now its AoE basic GCD is stronger than medica and I keep saying "now it's good because its more complex than WHM".
Basically, everyone seem to be happy that SCH is "more complex" now that it's easier to pick it up.

[supaiku]

I didn't realize I was in what appears to be the minority using a controller to play Sch. I have one cross hotnbar for healing and one for doing damage with a third shared bar that I use for every class for things like Limit Breaks and summoning mounts etc. I will say I have quite a few macros though. Sacred Soil is tied to Fey Covenant. Largesse and Emergency Tactics are combined. Deployment and Chain Stratagem. Rouse and Whispering Dawn... Now that I think about it Sch does require a lot of work. I learned how to macro just so I could play the class. That doesn't seem very intuitive or user friendly at all.

You made this sound like macros are necessary for playing scholar. I play with a controller too and don't use a single macro. And I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't use them.

People shouldnt be afraid of the amount of skills, it doesnt really matter if you have 2 pages of skillbars or 4, since you can simply switch between them. However, I agree that Sch might be confusing at first.