Tank dps harrasment

[Rasikko]

You don't have to worry about first timers cussing you out over not pulling big, even with the big wall parked right behind you preventing such.

[Melichoir]

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I will tank in tank stance if DPS dont know about aggro dumps. Plain and simple. Furthermore, if its a dungeon and someone is giving you crap about tanking in tank stance and not doing enough dps, tell em to screw off and stop being a snob. Its fun to push your DPS in dungeons as a tank for practice. But the second DPS or healers start giving you crap about not doing enough dps, thats where the fun ends. Youre first goal as a tank is to be the tank. That means hold threat, know mechanics, and dont die. DPS is secondary to this. And if its nto savage, there should be PLENTY of dps from your actual DPS to deal with bosses. If theres not, thats on them.

[RiyahArp]

I don't even see the point. The only time in this game where you really need to worry about tank dps as a function of time is in ex or savage content; the difference in dungeon content is often barely five minutes or so, and you do those dungeons so infrequently that you don't see real time savings unless you have to farm them for drops an absurd number of times. I spend more time gathering ingredients and making them for a few collectibles as a crafter than I do in many dungeons. Not sure why people are so obsessed with the part of the game that often takes the least overall time.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

This. This stuff pisses me off so bad.

My FC is small (just a group of friends really) but we have two serious Savage raiders and they are fantastic people and pretty much the only reason I give this type of behavior the benefit of the doubt. I don't want to server shame, but I feel like you might be on a Core server for people to be looking at Tank DPS in a Hunt party. That just... that just hurts my brain. I could be totally off-base and you just got a shitty party but I've NEVER heard of that before. Ever. (I've been on three servers now and I've never seen that behavior in a world-map battle.)

In any case, this is where two main mindsets on this game clash. You have your people who do High-End content on the regular who have no patience for those who don't work as hard as they do. It's not really about play style and more about going hard at whatever you're doing. Problem is, many don't leave that mentality in Savage. They apply it to everything. In a way it's good to expect more of players. It makes us examine ourselves and see that there is a higher tier we can achieve. That expectation is unrealistic outside of High-End duties though. And dealing with that attitude is pretty much a downer, no matter where you encounter it, though you might learn something from it--so don't dismiss it if someone gives you actual advice. Sometimes the worst ones can teach you the most. (This has actually happened to me multiple times while leveling certain classes--it was horrible but I came out a better player. Not justifying the attitude, just saying.)

On the other side you have the 'casuals'. Casuals can actually do High-End stuff too (and do) but care less about it. On the low end of this you have people who scrape by in lowest ilvl stuff just to be able to unlock the next thing. People who don't really know or care about performance so long as they get through what they've qued for. I know this particular attitude very well and it can get very tedious very quickly, especially when the 'you don't pay my sub' card is played. However, depending on the instance this can be a nice challenge for the people who try for better--it's like playing with a handicap. This is where the High-End mindset usually kicks up a fuss. Adjusting for a weak player is not something you do in High-End. There isn't time for it. For a Savage raider, time is precious and that's where a lot of this grief comes in.

To you personally, OP: knowing the fight is 90% of the battle, so kudos to that. And knowing your tank mechs for those fights is pretty much the rest. If you're interested in testing your actual DPS to see what all the fuss has been about (FOR YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE where it won't be used for ridicule), I'd suggest using Stone, Sky, Sea (you can do this in the Fringes). You'll be given a timer to destroy a dummy with an adjusted level of HP depending on what duty you pick to simulate and what class you take (so yes, the dummy will be adjusted for tanks and healers if you chose to test those too). I enjoyed doing this because it provided incentive without making it a scoreboard. It's a simple 'pass' or 'fail' and you can do it as much as you like.

Conversely you can switch to DPS main, press buttons and sit back and listen to all the whining about Tank and Healer shortages.

[Rita1989]

I will tank in tank stance if DPS dont know about aggro dumps. Plain and simple.

I prefer the tough love approach let them die and if they ask why they are dieing inform them why.

If not they won't ever learn

[Melichoir]

I prefer the tough love approach let them die and if they ask why they are dieing inform them why.

If not they won't ever learn

If theyre really obnoxious, Ill accidently fat finger Shirk, you know, once. Or twice. Or 5 times until they learn. But that doesnt come up to often fortunately.

[Deceptus]

I know that this is a touchy subject, but what is with the mindset of everyone expecting tanks to do more dps? I got kicked out of a dungeon recently because I wasn't tanking in sword oath and because of that I wasn't doing enough dps to stay in the dungeon I guess. Yesterday, I was removed out of a hunt group killing A/S ranks because I was tanking in shield oath also. Why are tanks expected to tank in sword oath now for even the most casual content? Why are tanks in general expected to do "X dps"? Another thing, can I report people for harassing me for my status on FFXIV logs? Apparently I'm not "good enough to farm Shinryu" yet I have the dog and 9 of the weapons. All I want to do is tank a freaking dragon and have a shot at the scale but because FFXIV logs says I'm "Bad" I guess I cant. I feel like I cant even play the game anymore because of how toxic the community has become.

In casual content (dungeons, hunts etc) I can honestly say I've NEVER seen this happen and I've been playing since 2.0. Perhaps you got into troll groups.

Not to diminish your bad experience, but I would guess it's the exception rather than the norm.

[Bacent]

I had a co-tank in a trial a couple weeks ago talk down to me because I wasn't BiS+melded two weeks before 4.2, and he kept going on about his 'top tier DPS'.

If people want others to kiss their asses for their DPS, then go into stuff with like-minded idiots, leave that stuff out of the more casual content.

[NephthysVasudan]

I've said this many times....and ill say it again.

It comes down to the party...always has..always will. Tanks have no bloody right to making ass-umptions about how the party will be or how it will go. They need to communicate...if they intend to do large pulls. Lately tanks just don't give #### all or say "im going balls to the wall" <like you had a choice in the matter> - and EVERY BLOODY TIME now...they horribly fail.

Just today - me and my FC mate (both Red Maging it up and wrecking things like a bos) - went to Hells Lid....warrior and ast.....and sure enough..warrior got in over his head on the last leg before the boss <but not before the twins as those are gated> and pulled everything..and got wiped out hard...funny thing is - not sure if it was my fc mate <she mains a healer> who ressed or the ast.....the warrior got back up - but it was doomed from the start.

I really wish tanks would actually bother to pay attention to the environment and stop doing things on instinctual habit. And for once..take responciblity for botching the pull....and stop blaming the damn healer.
Because in truth...the tank is the one gambling the party's well being on everything. Especially on a new dungeon. I dont mind big bad pulls....provided I'm DPS :P... but I really hate seeing these stupid bad habbits form.

I agree - if a tank tells you off for lacking DPS....or pulling "safe" - tell im to F off......well...ignore them rather....or just smile...don't want to get petitioned either.

Tanks hold aggro and enmity....DPS is secondary...end of discussion. Its a dungeon for crying out loud...not a bloody savage raid/trial. You have no co-tank to do dps with.
And I wouldn't bother melding until your Level 70 with appropriate gear to do it with...you'll end up upgrading gear/and ripping the materia out so many times it will make your head explode if you start doing that too soon.

Already started teaching our new sprout tank in our FC about this very subject. Each Job has a specific task....people keep pushing the envelope and making them do things they really shouldn't. an extra 5 minutes in a dungeon won't kill anyone...sure as hell will take less time if you bloody wipe the damn party!!!! (Yes very salty :P )

[Taika]

Just today - me and my FC mate (both Red Maging it up and wrecking things like a bos) - went to Hells Lid....warrior and ast.....and sure enough..warrior got in over his head on the last leg before the boss <but not before the twins as those are gated> and pulled everything..and got wiped out hard...

What was the issue there though? I haven't run these new dungeons that many times yet, but every time I have, that's how that pull has been done. I have always been either the tank (PLD) or the healer (WHM) there. Have wiped on that pull once, the first time ever tanking that, the whole group going blind (didn't know there are 2 monsters doing huge breath attacks).