The time has come to get rid of enrage timers

[KokoChibata]

2WAR 2WHM 4RDM fully geared youd have little difficulty with enrage since RDM dps is pretty nice or unless someone is slacking off (id be guilty of that)

[TaleraRistain]

Tanks and healers aren't DPSing as such a large part of their game play because of enrages. They're doing it because doing more tanking and more healing beyond what you need is redundant and what else are they supposed to do for half the fight?

I absolutely agree there. I'm a big proponent of SE strengthening the roles in this game, and giving tanks and healers abilities that will still keep them busy and contributing to the party, but without having to segue into the DPS role. Which is the only choice right now.

[WilhelmWhite]

Removing enrage timers will make this happen more often:

[TaleraRistain]

It could also lead to much more clever mechanics and make those the focus instead of dps output.

[DrWho2010]

and then nobody would try because there would be no challenge and everyone quit the game because it wasn't fun anymore.

[Bobs]

Removing enrage timers will make this happen more often:

Honestly why is that a bad thing? Coming from behind is arguably more satisfying in the end than just perfect play start to finish.

Having the timer limits the amount of people willing to even try the "hard" content. Is that what this is about? A few people wanting to feel like they are better than everyone else? Play a MOBA if you want that, really. You get a rank of just how good you are after every match. No need to guess.

Part of the tool kit IS Raise by the way.

[Mavrias]

Honestly why is that a bad thing? Coming from behind is arguably more satisfying in the end than just perfect play start to finish.

Having the timer limits the amount of people willing to even try the "hard" content. Is that what this is about? A few people wanting to feel like they are better than everyone else? Play a MOBA if you want that, really. You get a rank of just how good you are after every match. No need to guess.

Part of the tool kit IS Raise by the way.

Because honestly if the party is dying that much they REALLY don't deserve the clear. There is meant to be a difference between the savage/extreme versions and the normal versions of encounters.

[Nestama]

As much as I don't like enrage mechanics for one reason or another (perform mechanics perfectly, but don't meet the DPS checks), they are necessary. Without them, all you need is two (or more) good healers to carry the team :/

[MoroMurasaki]

Honestly why is that a bad thing? Coming from behind is arguably more satisfying in the end than just perfect play start to finish.

Having the timer limits the amount of people willing to even try the "hard" content. Is that what this is about? A few people wanting to feel like they are better than everyone else? Play a MOBA if you want that, really. You get a rank of just how good you are after every match. No need to guess.

Part of the tool kit IS Raise by the way.

Do you think everyone should be able to go into all content in parties of 6 healers and 2 tanks and clear through sheer persistance?

Would the encounter clock actually be the enrage timer then?

[Bobs]

Do you think everyone should be able to go into all content in parties of 6 healers and 2 tanks and clear through sheer persistance?

Would the encounter clock actually be the enrage timer then?

WELL, Like i said in other thread(s) TANKS and HEALERS should NOT be DPS. So that would solve your first hypothetical.
And yes, I think a 10min "perfect" fight is less interesting than a 60min "struggled" fight.

Currently the system is Pass/Fail. Without enrage timers is would be a Graded System, SSS, SS, S, A, B, C, D, F.

Sure some people would pass with a C but why is that SO bad? A SSS clear might give more gil or a mount chance drop, something as a reward. You are all just limiting yourselves because you choose to narrowly define success.