This is all DRKs get?

[Joe777]

Because you cleared X changes nothing. It is simple fact that DRK has the lowest DPS the lowest mitigation no raid utility except a single target spell and the lowest sustainability.
Your results do not make your assertion true.

You can't argue facts the skills simply are not there for DRK.
All you clearing a fight with DRK shows is that your healers are good and your team made up the deficit for bringing you.
And the above change is literally just trick attack on a 2 minute cd without the 400 potency.
Every class in the game except 3 have a buff or some type of utility. Those three classes are the ones nobody wants. WHM doesn't have utility but they are the best at what they do, Raw healing. We either need utility or something to claim as our own.

Just because DRK's DPS is behind, even a bit, and doesn't offer anything unique doesn't mean it's so bad it's automatically carried. Believe it or not DRK can still contribute properly, and if you don't believe that then remember that a DRK was part of an Ultimate Bahamut clear. Yes that is a cliche defense but in this case an effective one as no doubt the entire group must contribute their all to clear it.

[Valdegarde]

Just because DRK's DPS is behind, even a bit, and doesn't offer anything unique doesn't mean it's so bad it's automatically carried. Believe it or not DRK can still contribute properly, and if you don't believe that then remember that a DRK was part of an Ultimate Bahamut clear. Yes that is a cliche defense but in this case an effective one as no doubt the entire group must contribute their all to clear it.

I want to emphasize this because it's 100% true, and yet this DOES NOT mean that it is not also 100% true that Dark Knight absolutely needs attention and benefit so that they, while not worthless, are not obviously inferior in every aspect with the contributions they provide.

[Sylvain]

small question, beside aoe pack is blood price +delirium any good on a boss?

[Ekimmak]

small question, beside aoe pack is blood price +delirium any good on a boss?

No. But if you can't afford to drop grit, might as well.

And before people lunge down my throat due to the DPS meta, might I point out that at the moment, we are not geared for savage, so that extra 20% mitigation is actually kind of important.

[Valdegarde]

From what I've experienced, so long as you're not going to use it on Blood Weapon anytime soon it still takes priority since it already refunds you a potential TBN + Bloodspiller with a teensy bit of extra MP on top of that.

[InfiniDragon]

But if you know the fight and when a Tankbuster and AA comes out you should be ready for it right?

Sorta? Because again, you can't do anything about when it drains alone since presumably, it would be part of the rotation for optimal DPS it would also be down to the healer to set you up for it too (unless you also had mega self-heal capability also). Basically, it'd be like knowing a DPS is gonna stand in an AOE which some do, but it doesn't scream tank to me like even a little.

I dunno. We're already the tank that's most at the mercy of healers with Living and no self-heal, it'd only get worse if were sapping away our own HP IMO.

[SoulSkyheart]

I’d like to hope that 4.25 will bring the necessary changes to dps increase they spoke of on the LL and that mitigation is looked at. I say this because maybe releasing experimental changes on patch day where everyone is racing to World First not give them an edge in clearing it faster. That people should experience content in its prime before it’s difficulty drops due to class buffs making content easier.

This is SE though after all, so I wouldn’t be surprised if there were no changes. I quit tanking and went to Monk. That class is the only thing keeping me from playing the game now. Else I’ll be advertising in PF as a Miner for Sigmascape Savage clears.

[Joe777]

I want to emphasize this because it's 100% true, and yet this DOES NOT mean that it is not also 100% true that Dark Knight absolutely needs attention and benefit so that they, while not worthless, are not obviously inferior in every aspect with the contributions they provide.

Long as the gap isn't that wide SE probably won't give it any attention though, least that's how it has been so far. But hey, least we got a duration buff on TBN! Better than nothing right?

[Valdegarde]

Long as the gap isn't that wide SE probably won't give it any attention though, least that's how it has been so far. But hey, least we got a duration buff on TBN! Better than nothing right?

I disagree, the gap is far beyond wide enough to cause balance concerns. Like you said, this doesn't mean Dark Knight is not capable of being brought into anything in the game, but this cannot stand.

[Sylvain]

Ty for your answers.

And yes I was asking for the case where I can't leave Grit for more than a regular Blood Weapon duration.