This is all DRKs get?

[Silver_Blade]

Because you cleared X changes nothing. It is simple fact that DRK has the lowest DPS the lowest mitigation no raid utility except a single target spell and the lowest sustainability.
Your results do not make your assertion true.

You can't argue facts the skills simply are not there for DRK.
All you clearing a fight with DRK shows is that your healers are good and your team made up the deficit for bringing you.
And the above change is literally just trick attack on a 2 minute cd without the 400 potency.
Every class in the game except 3 have a buff or some type of utility. Those three classes are the ones nobody wants. WHM doesn't have utility but they are the best at what they do, Raw healing. We either need utility or something to claim as our own.

[Joe777]

Because you cleared X changes nothing. It is simple fact that DRK has the lowest DPS the lowest mitigation no raid utility except a single target spell and the lowest sustainability.
Your results do not make your assertion true.

You can't argue facts the skills simply are not there for DRK.
All you clearing a fight with DRK shows is that your healers are good and your team made up the deficit for bringing you.
And the above change is literally just trick attack on a 2 minute cd without the 400 potency.
Every class in the game except 3 have a buff or some type of utility. Those three classes are the ones nobody wants. WHM doesn't have utility but they are the best at what they do, Raw healing. We either need utility or something to claim as our own.

Just because DRK's DPS is behind, even a bit, and doesn't offer anything unique doesn't mean it's so bad it's automatically carried. Believe it or not DRK can still contribute properly, and if you don't believe that then remember that a DRK was part of an Ultimate Bahamut clear. Yes that is a cliche defense but in this case an effective one as no doubt the entire group must contribute their all to clear it.

[Valdegarde]

Just because DRK's DPS is behind, even a bit, and doesn't offer anything unique doesn't mean it's so bad it's automatically carried. Believe it or not DRK can still contribute properly, and if you don't believe that then remember that a DRK was part of an Ultimate Bahamut clear. Yes that is a cliche defense but in this case an effective one as no doubt the entire group must contribute their all to clear it.

I want to emphasize this because it's 100% true, and yet this DOES NOT mean that it is not also 100% true that Dark Knight absolutely needs attention and benefit so that they, while not worthless, are not obviously inferior in every aspect with the contributions they provide.

[Joe777]

I want to emphasize this because it's 100% true, and yet this DOES NOT mean that it is not also 100% true that Dark Knight absolutely needs attention and benefit so that they, while not worthless, are not obviously inferior in every aspect with the contributions they provide.

Long as the gap isn't that wide SE probably won't give it any attention though, least that's how it has been so far. But hey, least we got a duration buff on TBN! Better than nothing right?

[Valdegarde]

Long as the gap isn't that wide SE probably won't give it any attention though, least that's how it has been so far. But hey, least we got a duration buff on TBN! Better than nothing right?

I disagree, the gap is far beyond wide enough to cause balance concerns. Like you said, this doesn't mean Dark Knight is not capable of being brought into anything in the game, but this cannot stand.