So glamour plates are dumber than anticipated...

[Callinon]

Honestly I do feel like the only reason to why our system is so complicated to work with glamours is the fact Final Fantasy might be the only MMO (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong) that allows you to have every single class in the game with the same character. So, in theory, your SCH set and your WHM set count as two different characters that happen to be using the same gear. Lifting that restriction might require a type of coding that can be troublesome. On other games, the "glamour layer" works on a "If equiped with A, overlay as B". But on our current system that would have to be coded as "If equiped with A, overlay as B, unless class is set to X, then overlay as C". Limitations. The whole glamour problem wouldn't be that much of an issue if you could only pick one class per character, instead of having one character with 25 classes.

FFXI also allows all classes on a single character. A few other games do as well in their own ways, though it's an unusual feature to be sure.

The right way to do the glamour system would have been to encode it as part of the individual gear sets.

So gear set 1 contains its 14 items, helm/weapon/visor settings, and glamour information. Gear set 2 contains a different set of information that is not dependent on gear set 1 in any way. This would eliminate the need for glamour plates, although you could still do that system where you just make the glamour plates temporarily override (but not overwrite) the gear set glamours.

[illgot]

Same restriction as the old system, because it's ultimately just applying the same glamours by a different method, with the same rules as to whether they display or not.

so if I play a PLD and a DRG, I can't share the PLD set across both classes, it will just turn off the glamour when I go DRG?

[Sida]

I'm going to stop trying to convince people of it's merits. If you "boycott" the system by not using it you're leaving money on the table. It's free storage and infinite glamouring without using prisms.

There are improvements to be made, yes, but this IS an improvement to me. See y'all in game.

It is not free storage, as the only items that can be put in are essily reacquirable ones, such as salvager items, which wouldn't need storing in the first place for that very same reason. That is why most people who expected it to be free storage are mightily miffed if you call it that.

It has some uses and it does well what it does. But what it is, is free an easy way to use armory items in your glamour. And a possibility to burn items you want to use for glamouring purposes. But that's not storing them as very definition of storing is to "keep something so I can use it later for whichever way I want".

The worst thing is that even the ingame help texts are rather misleading about how it work so people have expectations for it which it doesn't fill and understandably are angry it doesn't deliver what it alludes to.

[Iscah]

so if I play a PLD and a DRG, I can't share the PLD set across both classes, it will just turn off the glamour when I go DRG?

Yes, same as before.

It's not a separate overlay of glamour, it's replacing the current glamours on your current gear with the ones you preselected on the plate. Once you've applied the plate, it's just the same as if you'd gone through the items one-by-one and glamoured them the old way.

So just like you can't directly glamour paladin armour onto your dragoon armour using a prism, it won't work through the plates either.

[sasuke70702]

It takes up slots means red mage and black mage and caster takes 3 slots and 3 for the 3 tanks so it is a huge issue if it just overwrites ur current job, this glamour update is almost totally useless in this case

[Krotoan]

It is not free storage, as the only items that can be put in are essily reacquirable ones, such as salvager items, which wouldn't need storing in the first place for that very same reason. That is why mpeopleost who expected it to be free storage are mightily miffed if you call it that.

What it is, is free an easy way to use armory items in your glamour. And a possibility to burn items you want to use for glamouring purposes. But that's not storing them as very definition of storing is to "keep something so I can use it later for whichever way I want".

Fine, it's a free and available way to open up your CURRENT storage by converting items you are only holding for their appearance into a "log" that is usable for 90% of the userbases glamour needs.

The worst thing is that even the ingame help texts are rather misleading about how it work so people have expectations for it which it doesn't fill and understandably are angry it doesn't deliver what it alludes to.

Example? I'll admit I already knew what it did so I didn't bother to read much of what the "intro" said.

[Iscah]

It takes up slots means red mage and black mage and caster takes 3 slots and 3 for the 3 tanks so it is a huge issue if it just overwrites ur current job, this glamour update is almost totally useless in this case

It's not useless, it just doesn't do what people were anticipating it would do. (Which I admit, arguably makes it useless for the certain applications people were wanting out of it.) It's not built for switching costumes alongside your gearsets (yet), although they've said that part is coming.

As it currently works, it will be useful for keeping a consistent appearance on my character as I level up and acquire new equipment pieces. I've kept my character glamoured with her Lv50 job gear throughout Heavensward, and it would have been great to have this system in place beforehand to instantly reapply that appearance over new equipment as I received it - instead of carrying the various original pieces with me and applying them every time.

[Jijifli]

It is not free storage, as the only items that can be put in are essily reacquirable ones, such as salvager items, which wouldn't need storing in the first place for that very same reason.

Show me where I get Nameless Togi from getting SAM again please. I can shove that into the dresser should I choose to. Can also shove in cash shop items, but then again I guess that can be gotten again for another $18 so...

[illgot]

It takes up slots means red mage and black mage and caster takes 3 slots and 3 for the 3 tanks so it is a huge issue if it just overwrites ur current job, this glamour update is almost totally useless in this case

Exactly. If plates did not have job restrictions then I could see some use for it. I could mix and match armour glams. Right now the plates only save some inventory space and still have job restrictions... it's not really worth using, esp with a 10 plate limit.

[Sida]

Show me where I get Nameless Togi from getting SAM again please. I can shove that into the dresser should I choose to. Can also shove in cash shop items, but then again I guess that can be gotten again for another $18 so...

That's exactly what I meant, I can't put anything that can't be easily bought into it. I didn't mean it as technical limit, but as a practical one. That is, it's usage as storage is limited since it would be foolish to put anything you can't rebuy into it.

In related note, they really should put SAMand RDM starter gear on salvager but that's whole another jar of worms.