The time has come to get rid of enrage timers

[Metalwrath]

Removing enrage timers would cripple gameplay.Also the only people who would benefit from it would be dps.It would mean they dont have to care about grinding gear.The damage tanks would have to endure would still remain the same and would encourage people to just play dps as they wouldnt have to grind out gear like tanks would.It would also make people not want to play healer as the longer the fight would go on the more stress they would end up in terms of keeping people alive and mana management.
Obvious top tier raiders would still want to get best dps possible but overall you'd kill tanking and healing in general gameplay.

[Inuk9]

If we get rid of enrage timers every content in the game can be done with 2 tanks 6 healers or 6 tanks 2 healers (or even 1 tank 7 healers / 1 healers 7 tanks or even 8 tanks)

To simplify. DPS role will be useless to clear any content and endgame raid would be a lot easier to get a first clear and I mean A LOT.

[Mavrias]

Lowest Common Denominator

Notice how WAR is already above 2 DPS classes (pre 4.2). Can replace those classes with WAR right now. Who knows what the stats will be after 4.2.

You should be comparing the max amongst the jobs. In which case, warrior is still 1000+ dps below the "weakest" dps.

[TamiaBlack]

I do not think that removing the enrage would be fun. The fun on Savage is that it is hard.

What I would welcome is some kind of "Training Mode". No chests, just the book or vice versa but with just one chest. But then a maybe +25% on the enrage timer.

This would give "more casual" statics the chance to have a step between normal (trash) and savage (hard). It would motivate to give the "medium" way a chance first and when all know the meachnics, you go on with hard mode.

The loot and the difficulty of the normal modes are a joke. while the savage modes can be too hard for employees with a limitation of time. a step inbetween would motivate, even if you need 3-4 times longer to equip than it does on savage

Even without max lvl loot it would make sense to play savage mechanics with a bigger timelimit to train. Instead of 370 they could but 365 gear inside with the same skin

[SilverObi]

Thinking about it, doing away with enrage timers would only work if the combat system and encounter mechanics were changed or made much more varied. As the game plays now, enrage timers are really the only way to show you cannot meet the demands of a fight by forcing a wipe. Other games that didn't depend on hard timers had other systems in place to prevent success such as diminishing returns on debuffs or CC, slowly dwindling resources like MP or items, etc. But you can argue those are just another form of ticking clock in the end...

[Dzian]

If we get rid of enrage timers every content in the game can be done with 2 tanks 6 healers or 6 tanks 2 healers (or even 1 tank 7 healers / 1 healers 7 tanks or even 8 tanks)

To simplify. DPS role will be useless to clear any content and endgame raid would be a lot easier to get a first clear and I mean A LOT.

That's crap. you can scrap enrage timers. add more dps checks. and thus find all tank or all healer parties will still fail.

look at ifrit ex. no enrage timer on that. but 6 tanks and 2 healers would never have smashed any of the nails down in time and that fight has what 3-4 sets of nails (thus 3-4 dps checks) i think been quite some time since i did it.

removing enrages does not mean the dps role would be useless... people need to stop exaggerating things so much

[Inuk9]

That's crap. you can scrap enrage timers. add more dps checks. and thus find all tank or all healer parties will still fail.

look at ifrit ex. no enrage timer on that. but 6 tanks and 2 healers would never have smashed any of the nails down in time and that fight has what 3-4 sets of nails (thus 3-4 dps checks) i think been quite some time since i did it.

removing enrages does not mean the dps role would be useless... people need to stop exaggerating things so much

The nails are an enrage timer itself.

Any dps check.

[ShanaMia]

You should be comparing the max amongst the jobs. In which case, warrior is still 1000+ dps below the "weakest" dps.

Why would he be comparing max when he's comparing the lowest common denominator?

[Bobs]

You should be comparing the max amongst the jobs. In which case, warrior is still 1000+ dps below the "weakest" dps.

The point I'm making is that WAR CAN out dps and clear content, and they are BUFFING WAR. The DMG creep is real.

Its not suppose to be like that, WAR is suppose to be a tank. But people are so obsessed with DPS that classes are loosing their cardinal roles. I can tell you in FF11 no one was worried about how much dmg a PLD was dishing out. His job was to stay alive.

If your response is "Its easy to stay alive as tank with healer in ff14," you are part of the problem.

[Sebazy]

I fail to see how a comparison between an excellent warrior and an okay tier bard is a good example.

Do I need to requote the comment I was replying to for you? DPS don't need to be 'horrible' for a warrior to be snapping on their heels even now. It's a puzzling change to be sure. Anyhow, I'm drifting off topic so meh.