I've Lost Everything

[Cylla]

WoW does not have housing. The garrison is your "space" yes, but it's not customizable.

Yes and no.
Garrison have customization in terms of what you wanted to put in it building wise, crafting/gathering/content wise (pvp and pve buildings). Yeah it not the whole, "Let put a bed here. Sofa here." but you can customize it around the content you enjoy and do the most.

But I think the biggest point here is that: No game other then XIV goes and delete the things you worked hard for and your sub money paid for when you can't play due to life.

@OP - It really is a shame how SE treat it players. Maybe one day the rest of the community will wake up and smell the coffee and start standing up to this kind of treatment SE been slapping us with all these years rather then sitting around making excuses to justify for SE's poor ways. Maybe once they start seeing numbers drop and not come back up, they'll get the hint and fix this garbage. Until then though, I want to wish you the best of luck and hope you find a game that you can enjoy without the worry of losing something if real life happens.

[Rinuko]

They are, for only 30 days(?) and then it goodbye gil and housing items if you don't login and pick them up by that point.

Oh damn. That makes no sense to me. They have a 45 day demo timer which obviously happens when you not playing anymore but then expected you to return to the game within a month to reclaim your shit?

[Cylla]

Oh damn. That makes no sense to me. They have a 45 day demo timer which obviously happens when you not playing anymore but then expected you to return to the game within a month to reclaim your shit?

That is correct. If you don't come back within that month (it actually 35 days, someone corrected me) everything is deleted. If you had stuff that you bought from the mog station, doesn't matter, it gone if you don't reclaim it in time.

[LaylaTsarra]

That is correct. If you don't come back within that month (it actually 35 days, someone corrected me) everything is deleted. If you had stuff that you bought from the mog station, doesn't matter, it gone if you don't reclaim it in time.

I wonder if the letter from SE announcing demolition actually informs the user of this. I let a plot go awhile back to demo on my own because i didn't want that plot but I honestly don't recall anything about the time for reclaiming my money or furnishings.

[Enlial]

FINAL FANTASY XIV Housing Automatic Removal Notice (3-day Notice)

Thank you for your continued support of FINAL FANTASY XIV.

In order to give as many players as possible the opportunity to use housing features in-game, estates that have not been accessed for an extended period of time will be automatically removed.

This is a notice to inform you that we have detected that the following free company estate/private estate has not been accessed, or a house has not been built on the plot of land, for an extended period of time. As the conditions for removal have been met, the estate is now being prepared for automatic removal.

Please note that the estate will be automatically removed on the Removal Date specified below unless you take the steps described under the Deactivating the Automatic Removal section below before such date.

■Estates Subject to Removal
Type: private estate
World: Midgardsormr
Plot: Plot 3, 9 Ward, The Lavender Beds
Removal Date: 2017-07-06 01:00:00 (PST)
*Days related to maintenance, server outages, or other times when the server is not operational (“Maintenance Events”) do not count towards the total inactivity time period. As a result, the actual removal date may be subject to delay due to such Maintenance Events. (The removal will never occur before the aforementioned Removal Date.)
*Conditions for removal:
・The free company estate has not been accessed by at least one member of the free company within 45 days, or a private estate has not been accessed by the owner within 45 days; or
・An estate has not been built within 45 days after a plot of land has been purchased.

■Deactivating the Automatic Removal
Preparations for the automatic removal will be deactivated if at least one member of a free company accesses the free company estate, or if the owner of a private estate enters their house at least once before the Removal Date.
To confirm whether the automatic removal status has been deactivated, please go to the “Timers” interface section in-game. If the “Preparing for automatic removal” status has disappeared, this will indicate that the deactivation was successful.

*Please note that the automatic removal status will not be deactivated if a housemate through the house-sharing feature enters a private estate instead of the actual owner.

■After an estate has been removed
Once a plot of land or estate has been removed, furnishings and items left within the estate will also be automatically removed. However, for a limited time after an estate has been removed, some indoor and outdoor furnishings and gil can be retrieved from the “Resident Caretaker” NPC in each residential district.

◆Items that can be retrieved
・80% of the price paid for the estate grounds in gil
　 ・Indoor and outdoor furnishings that are not destroyed upon removal
・Personal chocobos placed in the Chocobo Stables*
*Personal chocobos can be retrieved from the “Housing Enthusiast” NPC in each residential district.
◆Items that cannot be retrieved
・Construction permits
・Indoor and outdoor furnishings that are destroyed upon removal
・Interior and exterior walls
・Gil spent to add rooms
・Unharvested crops
・Aetherial wheels currently charging
・Gil spent to add a company workshop
・Company crafting log/sky maps/plans/progress made for unlocking Exploratory Missions
・Airships owned by the free company

*For free company estates, only members with the privilege to “Purchase/Relinquish Land” can retrieve the aforementioned items. For private estates, only the owner of the estate can retrieve these items. Please note that the indoor and outdoor furnishings and gil cannot be retrieved after 35 days from the day of removal.

*If you have already deactivated the automatic removal status before receiving this email, you can disregard this notification. To confirm whether the automatic removal status has been deactivated, please go to the “Timers” interface in-game. If the “Preparing for automatic removal” status has disappeared, this will indicate that the deactivation was successful.
==========
Square Enix, Inc.
FINAL FANTASY XIV Operations Team
==========
*If you have any questions or concerns, we ask that you visit the SQUARE ENIX Support Center at
http://sqex.to/WXr
*This message has been sent to you for notification purposes only, and we are unable to address further inquiries via replies to this e-mail.

Yes it does, but it doesnt change that the policy makes zero sense

[LaylaTsarra]

FINAL FANTASY XIV Housing Automatic Removal Notice (3-day Notice)

Thank you for your continued support of FINAL FANTASY XIV.

In order to give as many players as possible the opportunity to use housing features in-game, estates that have not been accessed for an extended period of time will be automatically removed.This is a notice to inform you that we have detected that the following free company estate/private estate has not been accessed, or a house has not been built on the plot of land, for an extended period of time. As the conditions for removal have been met, the estate is now being prepared for automatic removal.

Please note that the estate will be automatically removed on the Removal Date specified below unless you take the steps described under the Deactivating the Automatic Removal section below before such date.

■Estates Subject to Removal
Type: private estate
World: Midgardsormr
Plot: Plot 3, 9 Ward, The Lavender Beds
Removal Date: 2017-07-06 01:00:00 (PST)
*Days related to maintenance, server outages, or other times when the server is not operational (“Maintenance Events”) do not count towards the total inactivity time period. As a result, the actual removal date may be subject to delay due to such Maintenance Events. (The removal will never occur before the aforementioned Removal Date.)
*Conditions for removal:
・The free company estate has not been accessed by at least one member of the free company within 45 days, or a private estate has not been accessed by the owner within 45 days; or
・An estate has not been built within 45 days after a plot of land has been purchased.

■Deactivating the Automatic Removal
Preparations for the automatic removal will be deactivated if at least one member of a free company accesses the free company estate, or if the owner of a private estate enters their house at least once before the Removal Date.
To confirm whether the automatic removal status has been deactivated, please go to the “Timers” interface section in-game. If the “Preparing for automatic removal” status has disappeared, this will indicate that the deactivation was successful.

*Please note that the automatic removal status will not be deactivated if a housemate through the house-sharing feature enters a private estate instead of the actual owner.

■After an estate has been removed
Once a plot of land or estate has been removed, furnishings and items left within the estate will also be automatically removed. However, for a limited time after an estate has been removed, some indoor and outdoor furnishings and gil can be retrieved from the “Resident Caretaker” NPC in each residential district.

◆Items that can be retrieved
・80% of the price paid for the estate grounds in gil
　 ・Indoor and outdoor furnishings that are not destroyed upon removal
・Personal chocobos placed in the Chocobo Stables*
*Personal chocobos can be retrieved from the “Housing Enthusiast” NPC in each residential district.
◆Items that cannot be retrieved
・Construction permits
・Indoor and outdoor furnishings that are destroyed upon removal
・Interior and exterior walls
・Gil spent to add rooms
・Unharvested crops
・Aetherial wheels currently charging
・Gil spent to add a company workshop
・Company crafting log/sky maps/plans/progress made for unlocking Exploratory Missions
・Airships owned by the free company

*For free company estates, only members with the privilege to “Purchase/Relinquish Land” can retrieve the aforementioned items. For private estates, only the owner of the estate can retrieve these items. Please note that the indoor and outdoor furnishings and gil cannot be retrieved after 35 days from the day of removal.

*If you have already deactivated the automatic removal status before receiving this email, you can disregard this notification. To confirm whether the automatic removal status has been deactivated, please go to the “Timers” interface in-game. If the “Preparing for automatic removal” status has disappeared, this will indicate that the deactivation was successful.
==========
Square Enix, Inc.
FINAL FANTASY XIV Operations Team
==========
*If you have any questions or concerns, we ask that you visit the SQUARE ENIX Support Center at
http://sqex.to/WXr
*This message has been sent to you for notification purposes only, and we are unable to address further inquiries via replies to this e-mail.

Yes it does, but it doesnt change that the policy makes zero sense

I see it does now thank you although a clarification about how long people have should be included where is specifically says you have 35 days to reclaim them. I don't personally agree that there should be a time limit or that house demolition should apply to anyone who keeps an active sub.

■After an estate has been removed
Once a plot of land or estate has been removed, furnishings and items left within the estate will also be automatically removed. However, for a limited time after an estate has been removed, some indoor and outdoor furnishings and gil can be retrieved from the “Resident Caretaker” NPC in each residential district.

[worldofneil]

it doesnt change that the policy makes zero sense

It does though, housing is a gil sink, it takes money out of the game. There are lots of things adding money to the game, but very few of them taking it out and if anything we need more gil sinks as right now so many people are swimming in money and nothing to spend it on.

Housing was originally doing just that and taking large amounts of gil out of the economy and then the whole demolition came along. As we all know SE changed it to give you 80% of the money back, but to still be an gil sink SE would rather not give you any money back, hence you only get those 35 days to claim it in.

If you don't claim it in 35 days, the money gets wiped forever and the gil sink has worked as designed.

Now why it also wipes your items as well I don't know. Possibly to also be a gil sink (a lot of the items might have been purchased off the marketboard instead of crafted from scratch?) or because it's easier for SE to just wipe both at once, or they'd just simply rather not hang onto stuff until the end of time if they can help it.

Hope this helps explain why there's a 35 days rule anyway!

[Falling]

The 35 day timer probably exists for similar reasons other limits in the game do - storage.

However, i am not into coding or any kind of computer whiz that can type up a magically simple response as to why these rules exist. But what i CAN tell you is that if i were running a business such as FFXIV, trying to get players back into the game that have been gone for over 2 months is not going to have the best outcomes for my bottom line. I'd rather invest more resources in my current playerbase or attracting new players- far easier, far more likely to get mogstation sales, and the retention will be far higher.

I would never be looking to get rid of my long time subscribers of course, nor actively encourage people to not return, but i do know many things in life have limits. I cannot get everything i want - but i CAN create methods to use what i do have at my disposal to get a much out of what i have that i can.

[Enlial]

Hope this helps explain why there's a 35 days rule anyway!

Personally I'm not too worried about the gil, but in any case no, that rationalization doesnt really work. A gil sink is something like repair/teleport costs, or market board taxes. Things that are controlled and constant. Housing by design is meant to be a one time purchase. The timer was added later in order to address the housing shortage, which exists supposedly due to technical limitations of the game (never mind that no other mmo which implements housing has such a limitation). Even if you disagree, if it were the intent, why refund the gil at all, ever? What difference should it make that someone resubs for a month just to log in and claim everything within 35 days?

[worldofneil]

A gil sink is something like repair/teleport costs, or market board taxes. Things that are controlled and constant.

I do agree with you, but those things only take tiny amounts of money out of the system, housing takes a large chunk at once.

Housing by design is meant to be a one time purchase.

But is it? I'm sure a lot of people do have their first house still and never move, but a lot of other people do move around, especially now we can relocate. Medium and large houses especially remove a lot of money from the economy in one go.

Even if you disagree, if it were the intent, why refund the gil at all, ever? What difference should it make that someone resubs for a month just to log in and claim everything within 35 days?

Because if SE just take someone's house away and give them absolutely nothing, it'd be absolutely terrible PR for them.

But by giving them a chance to save their house (go inside it) as well as a chance to get back 80% of the value and the items (pick them up in those 35 days), then they've given the player a chance to minimise the impact on them and combined with demolition being essential, it doesn't paint SE in quite so bad a light, while still making housing a gil sink.