Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Bellsong]

I hare read more than a player disappointed from this kind of rushing, not only in Praetorium but in levelling dungeons too.

The story is an important part of the ff14 experience, if you don't have time for a few cutscenes, don't queue a roulette: SE is giving a big bonus of EXP as a bait (or if you prefer "in exchange for your patience").

On the other hand FFXIV is a MMORPG: another big part of the gaming experience is playing with others.

I saw that kind of changes (=soloing the main story) in LOTRO: you receive an "ispiration" buff => high HP regen and huge boost in dps.
It may seem a good idea, but I feel alone, and I have less chances to socialize.

"you are exaggerating, it's only for Praetorium". Why? why not ifrit normal, titan, shiva or Bismark? and after that, why not for sastasha, or GG library?
This could become a stepping stone for "completely soloing ffxiv".

There is already too much solo content, do we need to change a group content?

The story is important, and making these two dungeons specifically solo enhances that story by removing any way for others players to detract from it.

"A few cut scenes" is putting it very mildly, you will be in the dungeon for 30 minutes+ not including queue time if all cut scenes aren't skipped and you have to wait for other players to finish as well. The extra experience from this will have to match up to the amount of time it will take to queue + actually run it. Chances are math will be done after the release and I have a good feeling even PoTD at 60+ will be faster EXP. But that's just my personal expectations.

Yes, you are exaggerating, other content wouldn't be touched because these two dungeons have very specific problems that no other dungeons/trials do. They have long cutscenes that break up the whole flow of the dungeon itself. No other dungeon or piece of content has this in a grouped setting.

There's already so much solo content, but these two dungeons right here would benefit the most from being made solo. As a mentor you should want what is best for sprouts, and making this dungeon solo would be the best possible solution for the dungeons without removing or editing the cutscenes.

We all get what a mentor is there for, what you're missing here is that you would prefer to have more ways to play mentor rather than have a overall positive change for sprouts. Being against changes because they reduce your capacity to mentor for the benefit of sprouts experience is just as bad as being someone who got the crown just for looks in my opinion.

[Cylla]

If queue times aren't reasonable, then I wouldn't be surprised to see MSQ and Leveling Roulettes merged.

And that will be the day that I stop doing Leveling Roulettes also.
I get that new players want to enjoy the CS and that fine, but I don't want to waste an 1-2 hours in one place that I've already done and seen the CS in. As someone else pointed out, I'm fine with new players watching the CS while everyone else runs off and kills the bosses. I'm not going to sit there and yell at them to skip the CS, watch it! Just don't mind that we kill stuff while you do so.

[NephthysVasudan]

And that will be the day that I stop doing Leveling Roulettes also.
I get that new players want to enjoy the CS and that fine, but I don't want to waste an 1-2 hours in one place that I've already done and seen the CS in. As someone else pointed out, I'm fine with new players watching the CS while everyone else runs off and kills the bosses. I'm not going to sit there and yell at them to skip the CS, watch it! Just don't mind that we kill stuff while you do so.

Even if it merged....the numbers required wont make it pop..ever...really....or people ditch and eat the 30 min penalty anyway.

[Eli85]

Too many people to quote a reply at, however—

Suggesting that "no one will queue for MSQ" is simply inaccurate (as in, you have no way of proving this statement). At any point after this change, the non-new players queuing will be greater than 0 (it is far more likely than not that this statement holds).

In accordance with the above, putting myself in the shoes of a new player, I would rather wait a longer time for these dungeons, if a shorter time means getting yelled at to skip skip skip. S-E, apparently, agrees.

Refitting the Leveling Roulette to accommodate for 8 player dungeons is very, very simple. It is not this enormous undertaking that has been suggested.

[LaylaTsarra]

Just going to add I have 3 more roles to level to 70 at the moment on my main and when I start another (just finished dragoon) Main Story won't be on my list of dailies for experience. I suspect I'm not alone in thinking or doing that. Good luck to all the green leafs and I see a ton of them in those duties. Hopefully there are enough of them to get the duty to run.

[Justuas]

There's no reason not to skip the dungeon cs and watch them in the inn instead. It doesn't make the dungeons any more exciting if you watched all the cs since all the fights are over quickly nowdays.

[Fynlar]

Suggesting that "no one will queue for MSQ" is simply inaccurate (as in, you have no way of proving this statement). At any point after this change, the non-new players queuing will be greater than 0 (it is far more likely than not that this statement holds).

It will almost unquestionably be less. This isn't hard to discern, just from looking over the backlash that has already been made before the patch is even live.

In accordance with the above, putting myself in the shoes of a new player, I would rather wait a longer time for these dungeons, if a shorter time means getting yelled at to skip skip skip. S-E, apparently, agrees.

They're still going to be yelled at to spam through the CS like everyone else and will get vote kicked when they don't.

Refitting the Leveling Roulette to accommodate for 8 player dungeons is very, very simple. It is not this enormous undertaking that has been suggested.

This is the only one you're right about, because guildhest roulette has a 8 man hest too.

[Zephera]

In accordance with the above, putting myself in the shoes of a new player, I would rather wait a longer time for these dungeons, if a shorter time means getting yelled at to skip skip skip. S-E, apparently, agrees.

How long would you be willing to wait? 30 minutes? An hour? 2 hours? A new player running into that is going to quit the game, I sure would have. If story content that blocks progress is next to dead what hope is there for content beyond in the eyes of a new player?

[Eli85]

And that will be the day that I stop doing Leveling Roulettes also.
I get that new players want to enjoy the CS and that fine, but I don't want to waste an 1-2 hours in one place that I've already done and seen the CS in. As someone else pointed out, I'm fine with new players watching the CS while everyone else runs off and kills the bosses. I'm not going to sit there and yell at them to skip the CS, watch it! Just don't mind that we kill stuff while you do so.

That experience you describe still isn't the experience that developers intended for new players. The dungeon feels empty, hollow, and entirely unimmersive if after watching a cut scene, everything is dead.

[Lord_Zlatan]

all the people saying "you only have yourselves to blame"... that is so far off base, its ridiculous.

First and foremost, the main scenario roulette is only 2 dungeons. It should be way more, considering there are other duties tied to the end of the expacs that could EASILY have been added to them, breaking the monotony of hoping u get CM over Prae. You cannot possibly expect 4 year veterans to watch the cutscenes every time, even with the skip feature (this doesn't mean u can't wait for people to get out of them). THAT is the biggest issue with this roulette, theres not enough in there. Praetorium or Castrum every day for years. No thank you. Even still, I ran it every day because guess what? The exp u get is insane.

Second. People want to get these over with quickly. If you solo queue for it as a new player, you should understand that at this point no one cares if you want to watch the cutscenes. That doesn't mean people should exclude you from participating in the instance, however. The happy-medium is that you watch the cutscenes at the inn. Now, making everyone watch CSs that are 4 years old is going to make no one want to do it, and therefore new players will progress at a much slower rate. That doesn't put the player at fault, it puts SE at fault for punishing EVERYONE, when they could have taken much better approach to alleviating this issue.