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    Cylla's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eli85 View Post
    If queue times aren't reasonable, then I wouldn't be surprised to see MSQ and Leveling Roulettes merged.
    And that will be the day that I stop doing Leveling Roulettes also.
    I get that new players want to enjoy the CS and that fine, but I don't want to waste an 1-2 hours in one place that I've already done and seen the CS in. As someone else pointed out, I'm fine with new players watching the CS while everyone else runs off and kills the bosses. I'm not going to sit there and yell at them to skip the CS, watch it! Just don't mind that we kill stuff while you do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylla View Post
    And that will be the day that I stop doing Leveling Roulettes also.
    I get that new players want to enjoy the CS and that fine, but I don't want to waste an 1-2 hours in one place that I've already done and seen the CS in. As someone else pointed out, I'm fine with new players watching the CS while everyone else runs off and kills the bosses. I'm not going to sit there and yell at them to skip the CS, watch it! Just don't mind that we kill stuff while you do so.
    Even if it merged....the numbers required wont make it pop..ever...really....or people ditch and eat the 30 min penalty anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylla View Post
    And that will be the day that I stop doing Leveling Roulettes also.
    I get that new players want to enjoy the CS and that fine, but I don't want to waste an 1-2 hours in one place that I've already done and seen the CS in. As someone else pointed out, I'm fine with new players watching the CS while everyone else runs off and kills the bosses. I'm not going to sit there and yell at them to skip the CS, watch it! Just don't mind that we kill stuff while you do so.
    That experience you describe still isn't the experience that developers intended for new players. The dungeon feels empty, hollow, and entirely unimmersive if after watching a cut scene, everything is dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eli85 View Post
    That experience you describe still isn't the experience that developers intended for new players. The dungeon feels empty, hollow, and entirely unimmersive if after watching a cut scene, everything is dead.
    Sometimes it's hard to tell what they intended. Was it immersion? Well, why isn't it solo?
    Is it epic boss fights? Well why are there so many cut scenes between them, and why do they give you gear that makes the fights pretty much null and void as far as mechanics?
    Was it the cut scenes that were suppose to blow your socks off as an ending to ARR? Well again why not make it solo so no one gets held up or a ruined experience?
    Was it all of the above? Well that's uh... Good intentions, but borderline impossible to execute in an MMO.

    These two dungeons just sort of highlight that at the time, even after saving the game the devs seriously did not understand MMO's as deeply as they should have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Well again why not make it solo so no one gets held up or a ruined experience?
    ^ I'm all for making the MSQ soloable. New players don't have to wait for a que that never going to pop or have people leave the moment they zone in and older players don't have to sit in one dungeon for 1-2hours waiting. I think also in another thread someone jokingly (or maybe was serious) said something about trolling a group by never leaving the CS. Which isn't going to vote well at all unless you can vote kick someone while their in CS. Just kind of wanted to bring that to light also. I never tried to vote kick someone while their in a CS so I don't know if it possible or not.
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    "Everyone has something they hold dear, something they never want to lose. That's why they pretend. That's why they hide the truth. And that's why they lie."