Black Mage

[Remedi]

The buff on ST is not confirmed, which probably means a nerf on akh morn/deathflare if they want consider buffing ST dmg to compensate

edit: We should not excludea 80 potency buff to F4, it's something they haven't done often but they did buff R3 from 120 to 200 with 3.2 so it's not something to exclude (albeit I'm not counting on it)

[HaroldSaxon]

The buff on ST is not confirmed, which probably means a nerf on akh morn/deathflare if they want consider buffing ST dmg to compensate

edit: We should not excludea 80 potency buff to F4, it's something they haven't done often but they did buff R3 from 120 to 200 with 3.2 so it's not something to exclude (albeit I'm not counting on it)

Whatever you are drinking to make you think they will buff F4 by 80 raw potency (before AF+Enochian buffs), I want some.

[Lina_Slayer]

The buff on ST is not confirmed, which probably means a nerf on akh morn/deathflare if they want consider buffing ST dmg to compensate

edit: We should not excludea 80 potency buff to F4, it's something they haven't done often but they did buff R3 from 120 to 200 with 3.2 so it's not something to exclude (albeit I'm not counting on it)

The problem is that all their actions and statements till now points to they viewing the class as having a mobility problem and just a small dps problem (which we know is bull), so it really feels much more likely that they will give a small potency increase to F4.

[Remedi]

@Harold: just a precedent nothing more I too think it's very unlikely but they did once so why not? And since they don't want to give BLM raid buffs then why not going for broken dmg?

@Lina: I'd say that a part of the community is more at fault of this since there have been many ppl claiming that what's really getting BLM out of raids is their mobility, I mean I was starting to feel that it was just my imagination that you could actually work with the tools you have to offset much of the mobility in the game considering how ppl kept saying it was the other way around

[Shiroe]

If that be the case that is bs, smn already have higher ST damage then blm atm

smn out doing blm is due to aoe possibilities in the fight or heavy movement (which indicates blm can use a tick more mobility in heavy fights, even when the fight is learned)

but on a dummy and on low / easy movemet fights, smn will not out dps a blm (unless you count in the aetherpac 2% buff on the group), ..but smn does a lot / too much for an utility dps compared to blm as raw dps

eitherway think SE sees it like this:

the classes with the lowest own dps should br meta (to be on speeskill rankings).. while the classes with the personal highest dps should (highest fflogs damage rankings) should not also be in the speedkill rankings..., that way sam, blm, smn, mnk should be in the one ranking (damage)... drg, nin, brd, mch in the other ranking (speedkill)..., rdm is a joker and prog godsend

... just hope the "non" speedkill meta classes will stay valid in pfs (maybe parallel meta: mnk, sam, blm & smn??? in 4.2)

just SE has to "balance" in a way, that the "raw dps" classes (with their overall dps) can compete with "drg + 2 ranged" (comp with all their buffs).., same with mnk & smn with their buffs ... if possible

[Altera]

Has all BLMs pretty much given up like myself since this thread used to be the most active, now it has become pretty dead.

I am just curious now with only Fire4 getting a potency buff. Is it now worth using BLizzard4 just to get the Umbral Hearts at all or just go: B3 - T3 - Foul - F3, leaving out the time to cast B4 for more Astral Fire uptime etc.
Or does the Umbral Hearts' lower MP on first 3 F4 allow more Astral uptime?

I am pretty disappointed with BLM changes as mobility issues is not something I was struggling with as careful planning on saving proc and clever use of leylines Betweenthelines and AM was already good, and ofc triplecast.

[NovaUltimatum]

I'm curious to see how much the reduced Transpose cooldown will do for the AoE rotation, now that we can spam Flares a bit quicker.

As for the Fire4 buff, I think accounting for Astral Fire 3 the effective buff is about +34? Not sure on the exact number. I'm not going to dismiss BLM out of meta raiding just yet until we see what people can do with it. We also need to see how much AoE there is in the new raids.

[HaroldSaxon]

I'm not going to dismiss BLM out of meta raiding just yet until we see what people can do with it.

Don't waste your time. It won't be meta.

[Elix_Moarbase]

Don't waste your time. It won't be meta.

I really don't think people understand that we already did the calculations to know that nothing short of 300-320 would put BLM in meta.

But, 280? That's just undoing the nerf. It's not even a buff.

[NovaUltimatum]

I really don't think people understand that we already did the calculations to know that nothing short of 300-320 would put BLM in meta.

But, 280? That's just undoing the nerf. It's not even a buff.

However we still don't know how the new raids are designed yet. For all we know, we could be getting all sorts of forced mechanics insisting on magic or AoE damage.