Black Mage

[Shiroe]

ah... in that case a potency increase of F4 & B4 of 300 is like the "absolute minimum" or even still not enough(?) .. to merit blm instead of smn (or rdm in prog)

they said "blm is getting buffed" and not "blm is getting a bit buffed" right?

would blm need 310 or 320 buff? (those "sound" insane though..)

[HaroldSaxon]

ah... in that case a potency increase of F4 & B4 of 300 is like the "absolute minimum" or even still not enough(?) .. to merit blm instead of smn (or rdm in prog)

they said "blm is getting buffed" and not "blm is getting a bit buffed" right?

would blm need 310 or 320 buff? (those "sound" insane though..)

You are thinking about the wrong class here. Its not SMN we are competing with. Its probably either MNK or MCH. SE don't want casters to be strong, that's pretty evident baring a completely unexpected and broken F4 potency increase.

[Shiroe]

yeah... hate the fact, that there is no caster in the meta (well except maybe rdm in the prog meta .. and maybe smn too.., but sofar hell no blm in either prog or speedkill meta).. and there is no "3 caster meta" parallel to the known "physical speedkill meta"

but with the known high smn numbers and blm 4.2 buff.. fingers crossed for a some kind of 2-3 caster parallel meta.. even if its still unlikley

but after 4.2, really hope blm can get into all PFs better

blm should be compting with sam, smn and mnk... and mch for the meta spot (and rdm in general as a caster).. or actually with only sam, but the balance and meta are broken

just happy if blm are not so excluded anymore from most PFs.. but trying to break the meta was expecting too much probably

[Lina_Slayer]

Basically depending on the potency gain we would get those scenarios (considering both B4 and F4 getting the same buff):
280 (~4,5% more DPS) - We would be in the discussion of the biggest personal damage class, but without any raid buffs we would still suck hard.
300 (~9% more DPS)- Probably the biggest personal DPS on the game, but still not nearly enough to compete with the OP buff stacking meta.
320 (~13% more DPS)- Not going to happen, but it would maybe be enough to make us a meta option

[HaroldSaxon]

yeah... hate the fact, that there is no caster in the meta (well except maybe rdm in the prog meta .. and maybe smn too.., but sofar hell no blm in either prog or speedkill meta).. and there is no "3 caster meta" parallel to the known "physical speedkill meta"

but with the known high smn numbers and blm 4.2 buff.. fingers crossed for a some kind of 2-3 caster parallel meta.. even if its still unlikley

but after 4.2, really hope blm can get into all PFs better

blm should be compting with sam, smn and mnk... and mch for the meta spot (and rdm in general as a caster).. or actually with only sam, but the balance and meta are broken

Its absolutely hilarious that 3 melee's + 1 ranged is closer to being meta than one caster + 2 Melee + 1 ranged - let alone 2 caster, 1 Melee 1 Ranged.

I hope BLM can get into PF's better but I can't see that happening. SMN MNK and MCH will likely be superior.

[Shiroe]

odd they buffed smn (single) and mnk in general... they seemed fine.. (well mnk did need a slight increase to nin.. or nin needed a nerf)

in that case B4/F4 need a sustainable increase like 320 afterall..., especially since Smn and mkn are going up too

(but see 280 max 300 as what we're going to get -.-'.., and that not being enough by far after all.. meaning the devs just wasted an opportunity... damn.. now we have to rage the next months again till its fixed... and im stuck on smn..)

[Sunako]

odd they buffed smn (single)

Where did you read they buffed summoner? I can only see nerf here?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Update-Thread

[Shiroe]

Where did you read they buffed summoner? I can only see nerf here?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Update-Thread

read smn aoe is getting a nerf and as compensation single target a "slight" buff

got it from the reddit

[Altera]

I gotta admit, I'm pretty disappointed by hearing about these tiny changes.
AM and transpose lowered CD, longer proc duration is ok, but not what I hoped for, would rather take a Manaward BUFF than AM/Transpose changes.
Will give patch 4.2 2 weeks, and if I still feel the frustrations I feel atm, I am hanging up my rods for good or until further changes happen, and will take a hiatus from XIV as a small boycott

[Maero]

read smn aoe is getting a nerf and as compensation single target a "slight" buff

got it from the reddit

If that be the case that is bs, smn already have higher ST damage then blm atm